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by EdLee Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:24 am
illluck wrote: I would personally trade the hane block first, but think lesenv is right:
$$Bm12 3 tenuki
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm12 3 tenukiillluck, you (and lesenv) are both correct.
But, why do you want to cut first and give W an extra dead stone (your
)?
$$W
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by illluck Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:54 am
@Edlee:
Opps, you are right
For some reason I didn't even think about the possibility of just blocking - it's obviously much better than cutting first.
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by Nathan Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:10 pm
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by lesenv Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:41 am
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by Nathan Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:53 am
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by lesenv Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:12 pm
if white takes the right side, i'll take the corner.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 Prisoners: nonewhen white tries to mess with the black shape, i'll get strong first, then counterattack. maybe i won't play M16 immediatly, my
-group isn't well at all. Q12 is an alternative? this is looking at the bottom-right corner... i don't know
$$Wcm22 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm22 Prisoners: nonei think white is going to back off, the i'll back off, too.
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by Nathan Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:50 pm
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my reading leads to this. I dont feel I made up any of the four stones from this, but it is still playable.
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by lesenv Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:20 am
i don't know how to avoid the following sequence
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by Nathan Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:37 am
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by lesenv Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:54 am
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by Nathan Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:48 am
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by Magicwand Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:24 am
this fight would be complicated but i think black has advantage.
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by lesenv Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:13 pm
I somehow lost my diagram, i think this looks better than the last:
$$Bcm23 2 Cutpoints at a, break through at b
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm23 2 Cutpoints at a, break through at b$$Bcm23 maybe this is better?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm23 maybe this is better?the second diagram is cleaner i think, so i choose this.
the 3-3 invasion was i disaster for me
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by lesenv Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:17 pm
i think i'll descend first, to seal off the right side
of course, this is an empty triangle... what to do?
$$Bcm23 maybe this is better?
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by Nathan Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:37 pm
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I considered tenuki here because those two stones are relatively small and I could take sente, and also hope that b takes the slow move to kill them.
However the descent is sente because q13 threatens to split the group, and with these stones being alive i can get the important point of n14 which sets up a potential ladder. So hopefully I will still come away with sente.
$$Bcm23 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm23 Prisoners: noneHaha after I posted it I see that it is a horrible misread
, i shouldnt try to read looking at these X's and O's
)?
For some reason I didn't even think about the possibility of just blocking - it's obviously much better than cutting first.
-group isn't well at all. Q12 is an alternative? this is looking at the bottom-right corner... i don't know
, i shouldnt try to read looking at these X's and O's