daniel_the_smith wrote:
Is there a better response to his attachment?
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Is there a better response to his attachment?
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Bill Spight wrote:
This play baffles me. As well as the fact the Kirby only mentions the large knight's extension as an alternative. What is so great about the left side? White is already strong there. Black has no attack, and the remaining 2 space extension is small. In addition, what relation does this play have with Black's other stones?
is the obvious play, Not only is it a big point, it has a good relation to the marked stones.
People sometimes shrug off opening mistakes of this kind by saying that it only costs a point or two. But if you lost 2 points on every move you would get crushed. I would not be surprised if the difference between this play and the play in the game is more than two points.
For an alternative you might think of plays like this, to make it a bit easier to throw the tengen stone away. (Not that I recommend it, but it is better than the game play.)
Or if you want to extend from the bottom left corner, extend on the bottom side, where you have potential to develop.
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I don't understand this, exactly. Isn't it big for white to approach on the left? It seems that he can complement his influence well this way.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Bill Spight wrote:Magicwand wrote:
Black is still ahead, but White is on pace to win, thanks to Black's lackluster play. I am glad that Kirby is thinking of attacking. However, White has only one weak group now.
It seems to me that the key to this position is Black's tengen stone. If it dies a dog's death it will be hard for Black to win.
Edit: While I was writing this note, Kirby played the approach on the bottom side.
This is a good play, too. It extends Black's framework while attacking, a dual-purpose play.
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J7 is an interesting idea. It's not really a territorial play though, is it? Is it more important for me to try to generate influence at this point in the game?
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
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Your idea is similar to what mine was during the game.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
topazg wrote:ketchup wrote:For kibitzers until end of game then it's for all.
Chew Terr mentioned something like this, too. I'm not really sure how to fix this directly, though.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
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I agree about not touching a weak stone. But is this white stone really weak? I thought that it was strong since it was backed by white's influence. I felt that attaching would help me to do something inside his area of influence.
Is it really a weak stone?
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
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Is it bad because it eliminates the possibility of the cut at K5? Just plain aji keshi? I can kind of feel that it's bad, but I don't quite understand.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Harleqin wrote:
This is kind of accurate. Should I have aimed for something other than living inside before attaching to the lone white stone?
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
I posted a few questions about the comments that I saw throughout the game. Please feel free to answer them (to anyone).
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
i dont have definite answer here but i will try to explain.
i can play thick with no aji. but it would be slower. but i think it would be correct.
what i played is full of bad aji.
if you try to make something happend right now..you probably get nothing.
remember lower right corner you tried a move that threaten my two stone.
it is strong but full of bad aji.
i didnt move until the right time.
when the time is right you can activate the bad aji.
when is the right time??? it is too hard to explain that i dont even know the right answer to that.
i dont know if this answer helped but i tried.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Bill Spight wrote:
People sometimes shrug off opening mistakes of this kind by saying that it only costs a point or two. But if you lost 2 points on every move you would get crushed. I would not be surprised if the difference between this play and the play in the game is more than two points.
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Kirby wrote:I don't understand this, exactly. Isn't it big for white to approach on the left? It seems that he can complement his influence well this way.
Before Black's move there, The bottom 11 lines wide, the left is 6 lines wide. So the bottom is bigger.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Kirby wrote:daniel_the_smith wrote:
Is there a better response to his attachment?
I said that mostly because you said you were threatening to keep going into the left side. And I don't know if it's better, but I would have tenuki'd after that attachment unless I thought the corner would die. I really can't stand getting pushed around like that. If black can't tenuki, then black must have made a mistake previously.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Kirby wrote:Harleqin wrote:
This is kind of accurate. Should I have aimed for something other than living inside before attaching to the lone white stone?
no. if you die you lose even quicker.
you should tried to live by distroying eveything i have. which was possible i think.
you gave me too much influence and points so you lose even if you live.
attach move was not to my likeing..means looked kyuish.
i dont know what was better at that point.
maybe someone stronger can answer that question.
but i can tell you...if i was playing black i wouldn't put myself in that situation to start with.
see the difference?
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Kirby wrote:Joaz Banbeck wrote:
I agree about not touching a weak stone. But is this white stone really weak? I thought that it was strong since it was backed by white's influence. I felt that attaching would help me to do something inside his area of influence.
Is it really a weak stone?
i can not answer your question because i dont have exact definition of weak stone.
but i can give you many points that is a better move than your move.
i would have played 'b' but all three points are better move than yours.
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