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Offline skydyr
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #61 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:27 pm 
Oza

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . 7 6 . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . 3 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Finally, a weak group to beat up on. White needed to do something to reduce black as he doesn't have any place where he can gain enough points to offset black creating a moyo across a quarter of the board. I want to keep pushing down with this, threatening to swallow white inside the moyo while building central influence to help the black group on the left, threaten centre territory, and aid an invasion of the top right.

If white extends, I will extend, then jump. If white hanes, I will crosscut.
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #62 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:39 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . 7 6 . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . 3 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No rush here. Black's going to want to connect underneath at some point, and then I can bend. The following is sort of normal:

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[go]$$Bcm49 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . 4 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Either way, I'm now wondering whether I pick a different strategy at the bottom aiming around this:


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[go]$$Bcm49 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . 4 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . 6 7 X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . 8 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or this:


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[go]$$Bcm49 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . 4 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X 8 . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 6 . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . 7 . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or back to the original cut:


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[go]$$Bcm49 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . 4 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 0 9 7 X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . 8 X 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The latter was my original plan, but it seems a bit insipid now. White feels about 10-15 points ahead at the moment from eyeballing the board, so I don't need anything crazy...
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Offline skydyr
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #63 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:42 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . 7 6 . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . 3 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Look ma! I'm pushing from behind! I want to jump, but not right away, and I think if white hanes, he will still have issues, so I plan to jump ahead next turn.
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #64 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:46 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . 7 6 . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . 3 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #65 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:52 pm 
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Both players think they are massively ahead on points. It's like a Magicwand game, or something. :D

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Offline skydyr
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #66 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:14 pm 
Oza

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 1 . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #67 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:19 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 1 . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Mmm, I think Black's a bit thin, but so am I, so I can't cut just yet. He'd have been better off playing the knight's jump I think. After this move I feel happy with pushing and cutting, and he can't do either this:

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . 8 . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O 5 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 1 3 4 . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or this:

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . 8 O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 1 6 5 7 . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 4 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I'm happy enough just taking my time.
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Offline skydyr
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #68 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:28 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 1 . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 3 . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Staying ahead, building power. If white keeps running, I want to play P11 next. I thought about getting ahead with an ogeima, but that asks white to cut and I'm not sure I have a lot to gain from that fight.
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #69 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:38 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 1 . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 3 4 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This turned out more awkward than I had expected, partly because I'm trying to retain counter threats... Black can't tenuki here without losing part of the purpose of building his thick wall in the first place, so I get to connect solidly to the right and see what Black does with sente.
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Post #70 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:50 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 1 . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 3 4 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , 5 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Pushin', pushin', pushin. Keep them stones a goin'
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Post #71 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:58 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 1 . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 3 4 . . 6 . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , 5 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, let's see what Black does with sente ... I need to stop him building a moyo in the upper left quarter, and I should have bent at E7 earlier. Still, not too unhappy with anything right now
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Post #72 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:10 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 1 . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 3 4 . . 6 . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , 5 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X 7 . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Lose some here, get some there. It's all good.
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Offline topazg
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Post #73 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:22 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 1 . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 3 4 . . 6 . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , 5 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X 7 . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 8 . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Very painful. I should have addressed that before the reduction earlier.
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Post #74 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:06 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 1 . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 3 4 . . 6 . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , 5 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X 7 9 . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 8 . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here are points I want that I'm looking at:
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . M . . . . . . X M . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . M . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . M X O O O . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . M X . . . . . . . M . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


H2 and C17 are somewhat miai. I think G8 is bigger than B6, and L17 is not urgent, so I will push along near G8 first.
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Post #75 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:18 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 1 . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 3 4 . . 6 . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , 5 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X 7 9 0 . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 8 . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, let's spice things up a bit.. double hane time.
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Post #76 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:29 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #77 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:45 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X X X O . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #78 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:52 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . 1 . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X X X O . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think my opponent is trying to use the aji there to cut to the left of 1 and reduce, while also making a gain in sente.
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Post #79 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:54 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . 1 . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X X X O . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . 4 C O O O . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hopefully making miai of:

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a 3 . . . 1 b . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X X X O . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . 4 C O O O . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #80 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:00 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . 1 . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X X X O 5 . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . 4 C O O O . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think this is sente to protect the moyo, and then I can save the bottom stones.

I think I'm a little behind in solid territory, but there's a lot of room to catch up still.
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