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Offline skydyr
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #121 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:59 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 7 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . 8 . . X . . . . X 2 X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X 5 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O 3 |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . 6 4 |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't have a good response to that, so let's be drastic. Pulling back with 107 gave clamping aji that I think I could use to live in the corner. I haven't read this out in detail, though.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #122 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:00 am 
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black didnt need to sente that exchange..because it is his sente
did anyone actually thought about below sequence?
this will give white a & b exchange and cut at c
and aji in the corner is gone...

i would have thought about this if i was white...
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 8 . . . . a X b . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . c O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X 2 X 7 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . 6 X 5 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O 3 |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . 9 4 |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . 0 . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #123 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:05 am 
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dead...
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


correct sequence..
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . 3 4 O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i think 3 is also possible... but i am not sure..
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 1 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #124 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:20 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 . O X 7 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . 8 . . X . . . . X 2 X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X 5 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O 3 |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . 6 4 |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I read this out as dead, but I could be mistaken... if he finds some crazy living sequence I'm in trouble, but I have to trust my reading...
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Offline skydyr
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #125 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:20 am 
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Threatening to connect under or make an eye through capture while trying to expand my eyespace. I'd also be happy to cut white on the outside to get additional support to deal with White's G13.
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #126 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:41 am 
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline uPWarrior
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #127 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:54 am 
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To skydir:
skydyr wrote:
Threatening to connect under or make an eye through capture while trying to expand my eyespace. I'd also be happy to cut white on the outside to get additional support to deal with White's G13.


Can you develop on this?
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Offline skydyr
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #128 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:08 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 3 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 3 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is the move I was looking at specifically, threatening to capture for an eye or reduce on the outside.

Here's what I'm thinking now:
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 7 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 b 1 O 3 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | 9 . X 4 . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . 5 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . a . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A and B are miai because if white B:

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X O 2 . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O 1 X O X O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #129 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:30 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 3 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I really hope I'm not missing something obvious
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Offline skydyr
 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #130 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:45 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 3 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can play this directly to either make an eye or transpose into the variation I pasted before.
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Offline topazg
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Post #131 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:06 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O C O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is just a dead shape isn't it? :S

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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O C O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . 7 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #132 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:03 pm 
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Post #133 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:06 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O C O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . 7 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #134 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:48 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O C O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . 7 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . 9 O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I misread earlier and don't see a way to live anymore. I counted and don't think I'm too far behind, so I plan to use this group as ko threats or take some points in the lower left in sente.
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Post #135 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:30 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O C O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . 7 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 0 9 O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm fair enough ahead not to create something like this following:

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[go]$$Bcm119 Prisoners: :b2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O 4 2 X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 5 1 O X 6 . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll just take sente instead.


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[go]$$Bcm119 Prisoners: :b2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . 4 X 0 . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . 8 6 O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . 5 O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | 7 2 1 C X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . 9 . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm gaining as much as I lose this way, and it's simpler to play out .. I have no weak groups or L+D issues, so simple is good.
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 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #136 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:41 am 
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b2: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X C X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sente or I at some point cut and take the corner in ko. I have big threats at the top left, R7, J5, and maybe R12. In fact, I think R12 is double sente, so I think I may play it first. If white ignores, I can threaten the three white stones at Q14 to ruin any potential white has around N14. I think I may want to get N18 before the ko starts as well.
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 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #137 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:41 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . 2 X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X C X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is too big to ignore I hope, so I intend on the following:

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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b2: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . 4 X 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . X 8 . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . b . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X 3 . |
$$ | . . O X 7 6 . . . . . O . . . . 2 X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . c . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . a O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X C X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Actually, :w16: is bigger at "a", I think that's as good a point as any to take gote reasonably happily, and it saves me worrying about a good way to defend against "b" whilst continuing somewhere like "c" (which is the point of :w16: but doesn't work right now). I'm around 20 points ahead at the end of this sequence, so it's time just to clean up the game now I think.
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Post #138 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:22 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X 3 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . 2 X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X C X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #139 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:24 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . 4 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X 3 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . 2 X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X C X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #140 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:31 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . 4 X 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X 3 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . 2 X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
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