I'm experimenting with this fuseki and I feel I'm getting a too good result (I do lose my fair share of games, but that's strictly because I suck)
My question is: Is this result balanced?
(I'm b here. Don't ask me why w plays like this. It's the most common reply to my moves by people around my rank.)
Fuseki: aproach 4-4 and go to lower chinese.
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Re: One fuseki
I don't like the 
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exchange for White, but otherwise it looks pretty even to me. Bearing in mind I'm pretty weak in the opening, so I could be WAY off. 
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Re: One fuseki
Where would you playMarcus wrote:I don't like the
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Re: Fuseki: aproach 4-4 and go to lower chinese.
Up to here it's pretty standard but from games I watched, White likes to pincer now around 'a', most likely to keep Black's framework in check.
But yeah, the 11-12 exchange is strange here, I'd play the common Keima as Black.
But yeah, the 11-12 exchange is strange here, I'd play the common Keima as Black.
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Re: One fuseki
Mimura (Mimura`s Fuseki Bible, reviewed in the reviews thread by me) gives a very similar position:
It`s not too late for White to enter the moyo.
You can come in at a, but after Black`s b you need to be careful with your shinogi. C and d are recommended options.
So, your move looks quite reasonable anyway, but if Mimura is any guide, you can afford to take your own big point (2 in the diagram) before you enter the moyo.
It`s not too late for White to enter the moyo.
You can come in at a, but after Black`s b you need to be careful with your shinogi. C and d are recommended options.
So, your move looks quite reasonable anyway, but if Mimura is any guide, you can afford to take your own big point (2 in the diagram) before you enter the moyo.
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Re: One fuseki
I'm not quite sure where to play (opening is my weakest portion of my game). Q5 seems too close. I've been known to play any of the belowAlguien wrote:Where would you playMarcus wrote:I don't like the
(with varying results). After reading Tami's post, I'd be interested in trying a play at 'a' now ...-
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Re: Fuseki: aproach 4-4 and go to lower chinese.
Yes the result is even for both players (according to my knowledge and experience)Alguien wrote: My question is: Is this result balanced?
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Re: One fuseki
Q5 is the most common approach in this position.Marcus wrote:I'm not quite sure where to play (opening is my weakest portion of my game). Q5 seems too close. I've been known to play any of the belowAlguien wrote:Where would you playMarcus wrote:I don't like the
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Re: Fuseki: aproach 4-4 and go to lower chinese.
Joseki 1SoDesuNe wrote: But yeah, the 11-12 exchange is strange here, I'd play the common Keima as Black.
Joseki 2
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Re: Fuseki: aproach 4-4 and go to lower chinese.
Thanks, lovelove!
You mentioned that Q5 was the most common approach in this situation. Do you know of any (maybe uncommon, but still playable) alternatives and their follow-ups?
You mentioned that Q5 was the most common approach in this situation. Do you know of any (maybe uncommon, but still playable) alternatives and their follow-ups?
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Re: Fuseki: aproach 4-4 and go to lower chinese.
I've done some pattern search, the result was this,Marcus wrote:Thanks, lovelove!
You mentioned that Q5 was the most common approach in this situation. Do you know of any (maybe uncommon, but still playable) alternatives and their follow-ups?
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Re: Fuseki: aproach 4-4 and go to lower chinese.
From these joseki I reach the conclusion that the position may be even if white knows them. I think it's uneven on a lower rank because it's easier to play for black.lovelove wrote: Joseki 1
Joseki 2
i.e.: I get better results than these joseki and I shouldn't.
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Re: Fuseki: aproach 4-4 and go to lower chinese.
Then you can start with advantages when you play this opening with blackAlguien wrote:From these joseki I reach the conclusion that the position may be even if white knows them. I think it's uneven on a lower rank because it's easier to play for black.lovelove wrote: Joseki 1
Joseki 2
i.e.: I get better results than these joseki and I shouldn't.
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Re: Fuseki: aproach 4-4 and go to lower chinese.
I already had that. This is better.lovelove wrote: Then you can start with advantages when you play this opening with black
What you've given me is the knowledge of that advantage. Knowing what I shouldn't have makes it much easier to plan and analyse the developments.
(It's like knowing what should be the next move in a joseki when your opponent diverges.)
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Re: Fuseki: aproach 4-4 and go to lower chinese.
The two josekis I posted above is all I know for the R4 response.Alguien wrote: It's like knowing what should be the next move in a joseki when your opponent diverges.
If my opponent diverges from joseki, I just play where I want to play. This usually gives me a better result than joseki, because joseki moves make sense, non-joseki no make sense.
But sometimes, I get a quite even or worse result from my opponent's non-joseki moves. There are two cases, I didn't know my opponent's move was joseki, or I just played wrong. If first case, I will study that joseki, if second case, I will find out where I made a mistake and don't do that again.
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