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Go Problem & Pro Game Journal

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Dear Readers,

My main purpose of making this journal is for others. I'm already involved in regular go problem and pro game study, and haven't ever been for the lack of motivation to study these areas.

A playing partner of mine recently spoke about studying tsumego books until he earned a certain percentage or higher and then moved on. I hadn't thought about this study method in a long-while, so though it was nothing new it seemed fresh again to this aging mind. Soon after, I put together an ordered list of primarily life & death (L&D) books to go through using this method. I've gone through all of the books before, so the list isn't ambitious to me, rather it's more about rigor. Before going any further here's the book & problem list:

Essential L&D Vol. 2 :tmbup:/954
Essential L&D Vol. 3 :tmbup:/954
Essential L&D Vol. 4 :tmbup:/960
Jump Level Up! Vol. 1 :tmbup:/637
Jump Level Up! Vol. 2 :tmbup:/592
Jump Level Up! Vol. 3 :tmbup:/642
Jump Level Up! Vol. 4 :tmbup:/692
Jump Level Up! Vol. 5 :tmbup:/676
Mastering the Basics, Vol. 3 - Making Good Shape -/245 -/245 -/245
Actual Fighting Frequently Seen L&D (실전에 자주 나타나는 사활) -/200 -/200 -/200
Yi Changho L&D Vol. 4 (李昌镐精讲围棋死活) -/123 -/123 -/123
Maeda Tsumego Vol. 1 (実力囲碁新書) -/225 -/225 -/225
Go L&D 1000-Problems (圍棋死活1000題) -/1000 -/1000 -/1000
Go L&D Drills Vol. 1 (围棋死活训练) -/860 -/860 -/860
Go Introductory Problem Collection (围棋育苗工程通迅) -/1320 -/1320 -/1320
Go Step-by-Step Training 1000-Problems Vol. 1 (围棋阶梯训练1000题) -/1000 -/1000 -/1000
Maeda Tsumego Vol. 2 (実力囲碁新書) -/210 -/210 -/210
Maeda Tsumego Vol. 3 (実力囲碁新書) -/150 -/150 -/150
Gokyo Shumyo -/520 -/520 -/520
Go L&D Drills Vol. 2 (围棋死活训练) -/850 -/850 -/850
Go Step-by-Step Training 1000-Problems Vol. 2 (围棋阶梯训练1000题) -/1000 -/1000 -/1000
Xuanxuan Qijing (玄玄棋經) -/466 -/466 -/466

My goal is 95% or greater. If I fail, then I'll repeat the section until I pass. Nothing complicated here :)

Since I would be doing this activity regardless of a journal, then my purpose of the journal is to share any interesting problems I may find along the way. The reason for their interest may be wide & varied, so please expect the problems I choose to be as such.

As for professional games, I'll just be posting any I find interesting.

Finally, my motivation for study won't ever be an issue, but my time for posting is. So some weeks I may post more problems than others, and games may sometimes be accompanied with personal notes or none at all. Also, I've learned to feel comfortable taking a break whenever it feels correct. The break may be a few days or a few months, whichever I need to be able to return in good health.

Thank-you for taking the time to read, and I hope we may share in some interesting problems & games.

-logan
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[go]$$B Black to play
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[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . O O O . O . . . , .
$$ | . X X X O . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X O O . . . .
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B Bonus White to play
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$$ | . . . X X O . O . . .
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$$ ----------------------[/go]
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Re: Go Problem & Pro Game Journal

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Ha ha ha, yes, these corner patterns always throw me off-guard. The right move changes with every stone added or substracted...

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[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | O O . . . . . . . . .
$$ | O X O O . . . . . , .
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . .
$$ | . 1 . X X O . O . . .
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$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | O O . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , .
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X O . O . . .
$$ | . 1 . . O . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . O . O . . . . . . .
$$ | X O . . . O . . . . .
$$ | O X O O . . . . . , .
$$ | . X X X O . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . O . . . . . . . . .
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$$ | . O O O . O . . . , .
$$ | . X X X O . . . . . .
$$ | . 1 . X X O O . . . .
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$W Bonus White to play
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | O O . . . . . . . . .
$$ | 4 X O O . . . . . , .
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . .
$$ | 5 2 . X X O . O . . .
$$ | . 1 3 . 6 . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


Seki, I hope ^^
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Where are the problems from?
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SoDesuNe wrote:Ha ha ha, yes, these corner patterns always throw me off-guard. The right move changes with every stone added or substracted...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | O O . . . . . . . . .
$$ | O X O O . . . . . , .
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . .
$$ | . 1 . X X O . O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | O O . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , .
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X O . O . . .
$$ | . 1 . . O . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . O . O . . . . . . .
$$ | X O . . . O . . . . .
$$ | O X O O . . . . . , .
$$ | . X X X O . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . O . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O O O . O . . . , .
$$ | . X X X O . . . . . .
$$ | . 1 . X X O O . . . .
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$W Bonus White to play
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | O O . . . . . . . . .
$$ | 4 X O O . . . . . , .
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . .
$$ | 5 2 . X X O . O . . .
$$ | . 1 3 . 6 . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


Seki, I hope ^^

Hehe right! The answers flip-flop :D

Answer to the bonus problem:
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[go]$$W Ko
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | O O . . . . . . . . .
$$ | 4 X O O . . . . . , .
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . .
$$ | 2 1 . X X O . O . . .
$$ | 5 . 3 . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

If White this way:
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[go]$$W Alive
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | O O . . . . . . . . .
$$ | 5 X O O . . . . . , .
$$ | 7 X X X O O . . . . .
$$ | 4 3 8 X X O . O . . .
$$ | . 1 2 . 6 . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

oren wrote:Where are the problems from?

Thank-you for the question oren.

They're from the first item on the list: Essential Life & Death Vol. 2. After I finish that book then they'll be from the next item on the list, and so forth.
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How to gain seki in sente? A or B?
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[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . . . . . . X . . . .
$$ | X X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | O O O O O X . . . . .
$$ | . . a . O X . . . . .
$$ | . b . . O X . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


The book says this is seki. Is it correct?
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[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . .
$$ | O O O O O . . . . , .
$$ | X X X X X O . . . . .
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . .
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

Book solution:
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[go]$$B Correct?
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . .
$$ | O O O O O . . . . , .
$$ | X X X X X O . . . . .
$$ | 4 . 1 . X O . . . . .
$$ | . 2 O 3 X O . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]
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logan wrote:How to gain seki in sente? A or B?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . .
$$ | X X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | O O O O O X . . . . .
$$ | . . a . O X . . . . .
$$ | . b . . O X . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


A

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[go]$$Bc Black to play
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . .
$$ | X X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | O O O O O X . . . . .
$$ | 5 3 1 . O X . . . . .
$$ | . 2 4 6 O X . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


B should go like this:

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[go]$$Bc Black to play
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . .
$$ | X X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | O O O O O X . . . . .
$$ | 5 . 2 . O X . . . . .
$$ | . 1 3 4 O X . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


logan wrote:The book says this is seki. Is it correct?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . .
$$ | O O O O O . . . . , .
$$ | X X X X X O . . . . .
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . .
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


I'd say, it's alive...

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[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . .
$$ | O O O O O . . . . , .
$$ | X X X X X O . . . . .
$$ | . 2 3 . X O . . . . .
$$ | 4 1 O 5 X O . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]
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At how early had Black been planning the attack on the lower White group?
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I'll be posting from book 2 now (Essential L&D Vol. 3). There was something else I was going to post from #1, but I can't remember anymore! :lol:

Might as well post one of my favorite problems from #2. It's a way of killing I've only got to actually play once or twice...But when it happens -- woo-wee!

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[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O X , X . . . . , .
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . .
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]
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This shape is one of the more varied to learn.

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[go]$$B 1. Black to play
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | . X O O O X X . X . .
$$ | X O . . . O . . . . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 2. Black to play
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O O O . . . , .
$$ | . O O X X X O O . O .
$$ | . O X . . . X O . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]



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[go]$$B 3. Black to play
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X . X .
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 4. Black to play
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X a X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X . X .
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]



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[go]$$B 5. Black to play
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X a X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X Y . X
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 6. Black to play
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$$ | . O O O O . . . . , .
$$ | . O X X X O O . . . .
$$ | O X . . . X O . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 7. Black to play
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$$ | . O O O O . . . . , .
$$ | . O X X X O O . . . .
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . .
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 8. Black to play
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$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | . X O O O X X . . . .
$$ | . O . . . O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 9. Black to play
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$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | Q X O O O X X . . . .
$$ | . O . . . O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]
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Re: Go Problem & Pro Game Journal

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[go]$$Bc Black to play
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O X , X . . . . , .
$$ | . 2 O O X . X . . . .
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . 3 . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

I would like this but sooo many variations.

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[go]$$Bc Black to play
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$$ | . 5 X . . . . . . . .
$$ | a O X , X . . . . , .
$$ | . 2 O O X . X . . . .
$$ | 6 1 . 4 . . . . . . .
$$ | . 7 . b 3 . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

'a' and 'b' are Miai.


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[go]$$Bc 1a Black to play
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$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | . X O O O X X . X . .
$$ | X O 4 1 . O . . . . .
$$ | . O . 2 3 . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

Ko.

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[go]$$Bc 1b Black to play
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$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | . X O O O X X . X . .
$$ | X O . 2 . O . . . . .
$$ | . O a 1 b . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

:b1: does not work. 'a' and 'b' (the killing move in later problems) are Miai because Black can't atari at A1.

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[go]$$Bc 1c Black to play
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$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | . X O O O X X . X . .
$$ | X O . 2 . O 3 . . . .
$$ | . O 6 1 . 4 5 . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

White lives.


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[go]$$Bc 2. Black to play
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O O O . . . , .
$$ | . O O X X X O O . O .
$$ | . O X . a . X O . . .
$$ | . . X . b . 1 . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

Symmetrical position: 'a' and 'b' are Miai because Black has enogh liberties at B1 and H1.


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[go]$$Bc 3a Black to play
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X . X .
$$ | . X O a 2 b O . . . .
$$ | . . O . 1 3 . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

White needs to take a liberty from the two black stones, otherwise Black throws-in at D2 ('a') and then plays B1: White can't connect. But taking a liberty from the two black stones makes a dead eye-shape due to the cutting points at 'a' and 'b'.

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[go]$$Bc 3b Black to play
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X . X .
$$ | . X O 3 . b O . . . .
$$ | . a O . 1 2 . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

:w2: does not work for White here. 'a' and 'b' are Miai for Black.


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[go]$$Bc 4a Black to play
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X a X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X . X .
$$ | . X O . 2 . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . 1 3 . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

That kills. See problem 3a.

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[go]$$Bc 4b Black to play
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X a X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X . X .
$$ | . X O 8 3 7 O 4 5 . .
$$ | . . O . 1 2 . 6 . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

White can start a Ko like that?

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[go]$$Bc 4b Black to play
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X a X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X . X .
$$ | . X O 4 1 . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . 2 3 . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

That's a Ko, too.


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[go]$$Bc 5. Black to play
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X a X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X Y . X
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

I don't see a difference to problem 4 : (


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[go]$$Bc 6. Black to play
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$$ | . O O O O . . . . , .
$$ | . O X X X O O . . . .
$$ | O X . b . X O . . . .
$$ | . 1 . a . X . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

'a' and 'b' are Miai again.


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[go]$$Bc 7a Black to play
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$$ | . O O O O . . . . , .
$$ | . O X X X O O . . . .
$$ | 4 X 5 1 . X O . . . .
$$ | . 2 . O 3 X . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc 7b Black to play
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$$ | . O O O O . . . . , .
$$ | . O X X X O O . . . .
$$ | a X 5 1 7 X O . . . .
$$ | . 3 2 W 6 X 4 . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

'a' and marked stone are Miai for life.


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[go]$$Bc 8a Black to play
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$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | . X O O O X X . . . .
$$ | 3 O . . . O X . . . .
$$ | . 1 2 . . O . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

Ko.

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[go]$$Bc 8a Black to play
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$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | . X O O O X X . . . .
$$ | 2 O 3 4 . O X . . . .
$$ | . 1 . 5 . O . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

Ko.


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[go]$$Bc 9a Black to play
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$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | Q X O O O X X . . . .
$$ | . O . . . O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

So far, no clue... : (


I think I got heavily confused in the end ^^
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Re: Go Problem & Pro Game Journal

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SoDesuNe wrote:
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O X , X . . . . , .
$$ | . 2 O O X . X . . . .
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . 3 . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

I would like this but sooo many variations.

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[go]$$Bc Black to play
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . .
$$ | . 5 X . . . . . . . .
$$ | a O X , X . . . . , .
$$ | . 2 O O X . X . . . .
$$ | 6 1 . 4 . . . . . . .
$$ | . 7 . b 3 . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

'a' and 'b' are Miai.

Good job : )

I think it works best when :b3: is a double attack (threatening to connect out the placement stone and attack another group).

SoDesuNe wrote: think I got heavily confused in the end ^^

Yes, systematic study like this can sometimes jumble my brain too. But from experience I know it's the most rewarding. We shouldn't master these the first, or even second time through; so it's why strong players suggest going over problem sets many times.

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[go]$$B 1. Ko
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$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | . X O O O X X . X . .
$$ | X O 4 1 . O . . . . .
$$ | . O . 2 3 . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 2. A/B Miai
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O O O . . . , .
$$ | . O O X X X O O . O .
$$ | . O X . b . X O . . .
$$ | . . X . a . 1 . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 3. Dead
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X . X .
$$ | . X O 3 . 4 O . . . .
$$ | . 5 O . 1 2 . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 3. Dead
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X . X .
$$ | . X O . 2 4 O . . . .
$$ | . 5 O . 1 3 . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 4. Ko
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X a X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X . X .
$$ | . X O 8 3 7 O 4 5 . .
$$ | . . O . 1 2 9 6 . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]



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[go]$$B 5. Dead
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X a X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X Y . X
$$ | . X O 0 3 9 O 4 6 7 .
$$ | . . O . 1 2 . 5 8 . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm11 5. Cont. 1
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X a X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X Y . X
$$ | . X O O X X O O O X .
$$ | . . O 4 X Q 1 X O . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]

:w12: @ :wt:, :b13: @ :b1:, :b15: @ :wt:

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[go]$$Bm12 5. End Position
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X a X . . . , .
$$ | . X X O O O X X Y . X
$$ | . X O O X X O O O X .
$$ | . . O O X X X . O . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 6. A/B Miai
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$$ | . O O O O . . . . , .
$$ | . O X X X O O . . . .
$$ | O X . b . X O . . . .
$$ | . 1 . a . X . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 7. Alive
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$$ | . O O O O . . . . , .
$$ | . O X X X O O . . . .
$$ | 4 X 3 1 . X O . . . .
$$ | . . 2 O 5 X . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 7. A/B Miai
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$$ | . O O O O . . . . , .
$$ | . O X X X O O . . . .
$$ | a X 3 1 . X O . . . .
$$ | . 5 2 O b X 4 . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 8. Ko (Best for White)
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$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | . X O O O X X . . . .
$$ | 2 O 7 4 6 O X . . . .
$$ | . 1 8 3 . O 5 . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 8. Ko
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$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | . X O O O X X . . . .
$$ | . O 5 4 . O X . . . .
$$ | . 1 2 3 . O . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 9. Ko (Best for White)
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$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | Q X O O O X X . . . .
$$ | 3 O 2 . . O X . . . .
$$ | 4 1 . . . O . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 9. Ko
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$$ | . X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | Q X O O O X X . . . .
$$ | . O 5 4 . O X . . . .
$$ | . 1 2 3 . O . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B 9. Dead
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[go]$$B 9. Dead
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$$ | 4 1 2 3 . O . . . . .
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New Problems:
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[go]$$B 1. Black to Play
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[go]$$B 2. Black to Play
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$$ | . . . . O X . X . . .
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[go]$$B 3. Black to Play
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[go]$$B 4. Black to play
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Answers:
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[go]$$B 1. Ko
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$$ | . O O O . . . . . , .
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . .
$$ | 5 4 . . X O . O . . .
$$ | . 3 2 . 1 . . . . . .
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[go]$$B 2. Dead
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$$ | . X X X . . . . . , .
$$ | 1 O O O X X . . . . .
$$ | 2 4 . 7 O X . X . . .
$$ | . 3 6 O . 5 . . . . .
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[go]$$B 3. Alive
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$$ | 2 X X X O O . . . . .
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[go]$$B 3. Alive
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$$ | Y O . O . . . . . , .
$$ | 9 X X X O O . . . . .
$$ | . 3 . 6 X O . O . . .
$$ | 7 2 5 1 8 4 . . . . .
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[go]$$B 4. Most common solution by professionals
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$$ | . 2 4 X . . . . . , .
$$ | . 3 1 7 6 O . . . . .
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[go]$$Bm11 4. Cont. 1
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$$ | 1 O O X . . . . . , .
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[go]$$B 4. Miai A/B
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Was going through a new book this week, 실전에 자주 나타나는 사활 by Yoo Chang-hyuk. Basically it's about frequently appearing L&D shapes. Since Yoo Chang-hyuk helped supervise the Essential L&D series and the series also has a focus on practical L&D, then there's a lot of overlap. They can form a good pair, studying the series then Yoo's book (since the latter is condensed).

Inspired by problem from Essential L&D 2 & Yoo's book -- a normal invasion begins...

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[go]$$B Black to play
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$$ | . 5 2 O . O . . . , .
$$ | . 7 1 . . . . . . . .
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Question: Does Black owe another move?
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Answer:
Black can tenuki because White's shape is too weak to withstand Black's resistance. Let's see what happens when White tries to kill...

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[go]$$Wm1 Solution 1
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$$ | 0 O . . . . . . . . .
$$ | 1 X O O . O . . . , .
$$ | 5 X X . . . . . . . .
$$ | 6 2 . X 8 O . . . . .
$$ | . 4 3 7 9 . . . . . .
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[go]$$Wm11 Cont. 1
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$$ | X O . . . 7 . . . . .
$$ | 1 X O O . O 6 8 . , .
$$ | . X X . 4 2 3 . 0 . .
$$ | X X . X X O 5 . 9 . .
$$ | . X O O O . . . . . .
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[go]$$Wm21 Cont. 2, :w25: @ :b22:
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$$ | X O . . . O . . . . .
$$ | O X O O . O X X . 8 .
$$ | . X X . X X O . X 7 9
$$ | X X 4 X X O O 1 O 6 0
$$ | . X O O O 2 3 . . . .
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White will not be able to kill.

If White this way...
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[go]$$Wm21 Solution 2, :w7: @ :b4:
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$$ | X O . . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | O X O O . O X X . , . . .
$$ | . X X . X X O . X . . . .
$$ | X X . X X O O 2 O 1 . . .
$$ | . X O O O . . . . . . . .
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It's a practical shape to remember, because invasion with the below shape is a common position:
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[go]$$Bm1 Common shape
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Therefore, White play this is more common:
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[go]$$Wm1 Common shape
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$$ | b 9 . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 8 1 O . O . . . , .
$$ | 0 3 X 5 . . . . . . .
$$ | . 4 6 2 7 . . . . . .
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Sealing Black is good & straight forward; but there is some bad aji around A and better endgame potential B for Black.

So if there is stone in marked area (A), or if White can get stone there as part of whole-board strategy, then playing the first way can be better, because White shape is stronger and still end in sente. In such as case, :b9: is way to finish living.
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[go]$$Bm1 When to play
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$$ | . 6 . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 5 2 O . O . . . , .
$$ | . 7 1 . . . . . . a .
$$ | . . . 3 9 4 . . . . .
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[go]$$Bm1 1. Black to play
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$$ | . O O , . . O . . , .
$$ | . . X . X X O . . . .
$$ | X . . X O O . . . . .
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[go]$$Bm1 2. Black to play
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$$ | . X X , . . X . . , .
$$ | . . O . O O X . . . .
$$ | O . . O X X . . . . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . .
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[go]$$Bm1 3. Black to play
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$$ | . O X X . . . . . , .
$$ | . O O O X X X . . . .
$$ | . . . . O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . .
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[go]$$Bm1 4. Black to play
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$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | O O O O . . O . . , .
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O .
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . .
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Is book solution correct?
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[go]$$Bm1 4. Black to play
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$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | O O O O . . O . . , .
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O .
$$ | . X O 1 2 . . . . . .
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . .
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Does :b3: work?
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[go]$$Bm1 5.
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$$ | . . . . . . X . . . .
$$ | X X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | 1 O O O O X . . . . .
$$ | 2 . . . O X . . . . .
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bm1 1. Solution 1
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$$ | . . O . . . O . . . .
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . .
$$ | . O O , . . O . . , .
$$ | . 4 X . X X O . . . .
$$ | X 5 . X O O 2 . . . .
$$ | . 3 . . 1 . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm1 2. Solution 1
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . .
$$ | . X X , . . X . . , .
$$ | . 1 O . O O X . . . .
$$ | O 2 . O X X . . . . .
$$ | . O 4 3 . 5 . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm1 2. Solution 2
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$$ | . . X . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . .
$$ | . X X 7 . . X . . , .
$$ | . 1 O . O O X . . . .
$$ | O 3 8 O X X 4 5 . . .
$$ | . O 9 . 2 6 . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm1 3. Solution 1
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | 6 O X X . . . . . , .
$$ | . O O O X X X . . . .
$$ | 7 . 2 1 O O X . . . .
$$ | . 3 . 4 . 5 X . . . .
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[go]$$Bm1 3. Failure 1
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , .
$$ | . O O O X X X . . . .
$$ | . 2 . 3 O O X . . . .
$$ | . 1 4 . . . X . . . .
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The book solution is correct. In this problem, White's shape is not strong enough to capture Black.
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[go]$$Bm1 4. Solution 1
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$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | O O O O . 8 O . . , .
$$ | 4 X X O . 7 9 0 . O .
$$ | 2 X O 1 5 . 6 . . . .
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm11 4. Cont. 1
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$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | O O O O . O O . . , .
$$ | O X X O . X X O . O .
$$ | O X O X X 1 O 2 . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


However, if White's shape is strong enough, then a ko is possible:
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[go]$$Bm1 4. Solution 2
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$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | O O O O . . O . . , .
$$ | . X X O . Q . . . O .
$$ | 2 X O 1 . . . . . . .
$$ | . 4 3 . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm1 4. Solution 3
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$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . .
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | O O O O . . O . . , .
$$ | 4 X X O . Q . . . O .
$$ | 2 X O 1 5 6 . . . . .
$$ | . 3 7 . 8 . . . . . .
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Sometimes, Black can play this way, and White will be captured by a shortage of liberties:
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[go]$$Bm1 5. Sometimes works.
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$$ | X X X X X . . . . , .
$$ | 1 O O O O X . . . . .
$$ | 2 7 4 . O X . . . . .
$$ | . 3 . 6 5 . . . . . .
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However, because of Black's outside cutting point at A, :b3: does not work here:
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[go]$$Wm8 5. White will push towards a second eye.
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$$ | . . . . . . X . . . .
$$ | X X X X X a . . . , .
$$ | X O O O O X 4 . 6 . .
$$ | O X O . O X 3 5 7 . .
$$ | 2 X . O X 1 . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


Therefore, this second method is correct:
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[go]$$Bm1 5. Solution 1
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$$ | . . . . . . X . . . .
$$ | X X X X X . . . . , .
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[go]$$Bm1 2. Black to play
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[go]$$Bm1 3. Black to play
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[go]$$Bm1 4. Black to play
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[go]$$Bm1 5. Black to play
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