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Offline skydyr
 Post subject: Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Post #61 Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:26 am 
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My assumption is that he's playing farther away to avoid getting pincered in the hopes of making the most of his moyo. I think he may also be trying to keep topazg from playing book moves, so that his presumably better reading and fighting strength can show.
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #62 Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:33 am 
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I can attack his stone better if he jump inside my side. My influence will need to play his role for me go win. This is one way to bring fight. We will see soon enough

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Offline topazg
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Post #63 Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:08 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Got to go chop an onion for dinner - will explain later! :P
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Post #64 Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:08 pm 
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Post #65 Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:13 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Bill Spight
 Post subject: Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Post #66 Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:43 pm 
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My guess:

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Edit: Unhidden. :)

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Last edited by Bill Spight on Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Post #67 Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:20 pm 
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Offline topazg
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Post #68 Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:56 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this will become a points versus gigantamoyo game soon :)
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Offline EdLee
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topazg wrote:
I think this will become a points versus gigantamoyo game soon :)
By soon, he means now. :)

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Offline Loons
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Post #70 Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:12 am 
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When I said lots of potential I meant it in the literal sense that later a move like G6 could gain a lot of points.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline EdLee
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Loons wrote:
When I said lots of potential I meant it in the literal sense that later a move like G6 could gain a lot of points.
Yes, I know what you meant, and I also meant in the literal sense I am not sure the moyo has "lots of potential" --
so we'll find out soon enough. :)
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Post #72 Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:01 am 
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my original defending move was P8 but I saw some weakNess so decided to play this way. They are both gote and this way is better Imo

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Offline topazg
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Post #73 Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:53 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . 8 . . . . . . . 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's roll. At some point, I want to play this sequence:

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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . 4 O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Just because it's worth so many points... but, if White responds this way:

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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . 8 X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . 0 . 6 7 . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . 4 5 . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I worry about whether this extra bit of wall will have too much of an impact on the middle. Actually, on second thoughts, maybe it's too thin, but the middle seems more important first to me.
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #74 Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:11 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . 8 . . . . . . . 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i have no idea what he just played..
did he misplace the stone?????

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Post #75 Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:14 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . 8 . 0 . . . . . 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This place is so huge I'm just going to try to induce magicwand to cut me off on dame, using connection threats to build something in the middle. I feel that White's walls are just too far away to attack this severely. I guess we'll see.
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Post #76 Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:26 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
now his corner is in trouble..

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Post #77 Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:00 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Committed now. There's big aji in the corner. but after H3 I had no easy way of developing it, so things like the E3 peep prevent it from being a large corner already. As a result, I'm assuming he doesn't have any outright killing sequences, and making a group in the middle that could be used to reduced potential White frameworks on either side.

Is it overplay? No idea. One thing was for sure, I couldn't let White simply carry on making the walls to his moyo, and I didn't like either of:

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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 3 . . . . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . 3 . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 2 . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, I figure, if the middle's the important bit, let's dangle the bait in front of magicwand, and hope to draw him into a fight that I feel can't be favourable for White as he doesn't have enough friends near by.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Post #78 Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:38 am 
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Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i am not going to say i am going to win...but i feel much more comfortable that i have a chance to finish my opponent.
some two stone game you are playing catchup till finish and dont get to have a chance to win.
Lower left corner is next because i dont want him to cover his weakness in sente..

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Post #79 Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:01 pm 
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below is my expectation.
black may win by playing such game but it is nothing like flow of water i described on other thread.
my opponent's play goes against the flow and forcing the issues. i blame all to his low pincer.
knowing my influence growing on everymove he should have played it high to stop my influence
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X 4 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . 5 6 . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . 9 . 7 8 . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



to explain my thought process..
below was my first thought and didnt like it because of my weakess on the influence.
influence with weakness can not profit points..
although it is a gote i made sure it is strong enough to convert into points.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Post #80 Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:01 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X 4 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I blundered, badly. Allowing this is just such a massive reverse sente point. I'm feeling very sad about this game now :P
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