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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #141 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:08 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm78 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . 3 . O 4 . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . 2 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's see his answer to this one.

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Post #142 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:19 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . 3 . O 4 . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . 2 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think he dies here on one side or the other but not both.

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Post #143 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:04 pm 
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$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . 3 . O 4 . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . 6 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . 2 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #144 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:07 pm 
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$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . 3 . O 4 . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . 6 7 X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . 2 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #145 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:36 pm 
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:lol: Made you make an empty triangle :twisted:

Have to think now on how to get out of this fine mess I've gotten myself into.

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Post #146 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:06 pm 
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Perhaps Boidhre was not looking at the whole board, or was being soft -- :b1: seems to kill :wc::
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$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . W . X . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . W . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . W . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . 1 . . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


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Post #147 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:22 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . 3 . O 4 . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . 6 7 X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . 8 . . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . 2 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Post #148 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:36 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . 3 . O 4 9 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . 6 7 X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . 8 . . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . 2 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Necessary.

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Post #149 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:15 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . 3 . O 4 9 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . 6 7 X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . 8 . . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . . . 0 . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . 2 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To be sure to be sure :)

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Post #150 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:31 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . O 1 . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . 3 2 O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Doesn't look completely secure to me, although this is a funny ol' fight for Black :)

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Post #151 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:46 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . O 1 . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks fun. I've read out a few sequences, it looks interesting anyway and I should learn something.

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Post #152 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:47 am 
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I thought I couldn't jump cut before I played that move. Stupid depressed brain is slow.

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Post #153 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:18 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . O 1 . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . 2 . O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #154 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:26 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . O 1 . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . 2 3 O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Nobi, nobi, nobi. This was the response that I was least worried about. P15 would have complicated things.

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Post #155 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:19 pm 
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I need to read further, but doesn't Black at D13 remove any chance of an eye and kill the dragon? (Bear in mind I've only glanced; I could be wrong.)

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Post #156 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:37 pm 
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I need to read further, but doesn't Black at D13 remove any chance of an eye and kill the dragon? (Bear in mind I've only glanced; I could be wrong.)

I think white can allow black to connect and use the forcing moves to make an eye at G14.

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Post #157 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:55 pm 
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@skydyr:
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I think white can allow black to connect and use the forcing moves to make an eye at G14.


Ah, yes. I think you are right. Damn, meed better intuition. :mrgreen: :)

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Post #158 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:52 pm 
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DGS: seanachain
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[go]$$Bcm88 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . O 1 . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . 2 3 O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #159 Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:02 pm 
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Rank: KGS 3 Kyu
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[go]$$Bcm88 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . O 1 . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X W . . 2 3 O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . 4 a . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . b . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . y O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . x . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . xx . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . z . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok so here are my thoughts on the current position.

I imagine here will push with a and I'll block with b. After that he'll probably invade around x, I'd really like to play there. If he invades I will try and split his group in the centre with the one around y.

His huge group at G11 still doesn't have two eyes, although it will be easy for him to make two eyes, but I will try and get some forcing moves against it to attack R8 or B2. The plan: make him live small.

Anyway I expect it to get messy from here on in.

My current count: I have about 10 on the bottom, 10 in the right corner (if I get a move around x this should be much more), a couple on the left side and a couple in the centre, so maybe 30-40 points. My opponent has about 15 on the top, depending if I get the monkey jump or not, 20 in the top right corner, maybe 8-10 in the bottom left, again depends on if I can pull out the stone at B2 and again depending on what happens around 5-10 points on the right side. So black is ahead by my count, but as they say in this game- anything can happen :)

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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #160 Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:12 am 
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It seems my opponent is deep in :study:

The anticipation of his next move is killing me :mrgreen:

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