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Offline EdLee
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Post #61 Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:42 am 
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For beginners. First feeling is of course connect, which makes a broken shape for White --
but I'll study this more anyway. ( See also Toothpaste )
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . # . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . # Q . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . Q # . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #193 TIM82 vs EdLee
Post #62 Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:29 am 
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for obs
below peep can be useful hangma sometime because of riding the rhythm.
10 years ago i would have thought that it is a good way to attack because i make black heavy. my rank didnt change much from 10 years ago.
but now my thought is different. It is making black heavy but also it is making it strong.
very strong player once told me that he can feel the strength increasing after the peep on similar shape.
i didnt feel that before....but now i understand what he meant by that.

so below peep... is it good for white???
very hard to say...but i would be careful with such peep because it might hurt white more than help.
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[go]$$Bm41
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . 4 . 1 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . 3 2 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


to elaborate on what i said above.. white 4 is most likely course of action after peep.
but maybe white want something like below to attack him by taking eye space and stablizing his group.
then peep would be a bad move that will take this choice away...
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[go]$$Bm41
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . 3 . 1 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

conclusion: i can not say that peep is a good move or bad move...but if i was white i would see what other option is available before making that choice.
get in habbit of thinking many different option before placing your move and your go game will improve.

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Offline EdLee
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[go]$$Bm43
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X 1 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #64 Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:48 pm 
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For beginners. Connecting with :b1: seems a bit heavy; for example:
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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . 1 O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #65 Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:11 am 
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[go]$$Bm43
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X 1 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


did not consider Ed's last move for some reason. Any (s)lower move for me now, and Black will create a wall here, or with A I'll be pushing the black group towards centre from behind, which does not look good. I tried to check the various cuts against my group here, think I'm ok, let's see. This move has also an effect on right, and if Ed defends right, B seems at least initially playable .

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[go]$$Bm43
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X 1 a O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . b O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Btw. In my last post, of options A and B, would have played the cap on top.
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For beginners. Without :w44:, there's a danger for W that B may be able to close W completely:
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[go]$$W :w1: tenuki
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bm45
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Similar to the feeling in Post #64: don't want to be boxed in (by something like :w2:):
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[go]$$B :b1: tenuki
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #69 Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:33 pm 
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Ed:

Do you have any plans aside from escape? What do you want to do with your stones?
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Shaddy,
I thought :w44: may have miai of something like (a) and (b),
but I'm not sure; will find out either after the game, or, when Tim does something soon.
Originally, I was worried the bottom may become too big for W;
again, I was not sure about this assessment -- dunno if :b39: was too deep, too early, or jealous.
After :b45:, the center group seems OK-ish; there may be some funny business
in the (c) area, but again, I'm not sure about the timing. Will have to wait.
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[go]$$Wm44
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . b . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O c . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
I have a lot of uncertainties in this game; two unfamiliar joseki (UL and LL corners).
Mostly I'm treating it as a nice learning experience.
Have been looking forward to the review for some time now.
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Offline Shaddy
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Post #71 Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:55 pm 
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Sorry, I wasn't clear: I mean to ask, what are your plans? What do you want to accomplish with your next moves? Are you aiming at anything in particular?
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Shaddy,
Nothing in particular -- if I see a weakness, I'll think about how to exploit it, then decide what to do.
Otherwise, if there are no weak groups, I'll just try to keep a balance of everything (territory and power);
make sure W does not get too big or too thick anywhere, etc.
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Post #73 Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:34 am 
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[go]$$Bm45
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #74 Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:50 am 
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I can't see a particularly appealing move on bottom. The only relevant cut I see there is at A below. Most other can be solved by playing at A (or B). For the cut at A, I think direct responses fail, but with some moves against bottom right corner I should be ok? I any case, I wanted to get to top corner first.
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[go]$$Bm45
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . a . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . b . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Something like this seems ok? After this moves around A seem to serve two purposes: generate a moyo at top and attacking black stones below.
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[go]$$Bm47
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 3 4 . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 1 5 . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . 6 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


This I wanted to avoid.
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[go]$$Wm46
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . 1 2 . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


This I wanted to avoid too.
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[go]$$Wm46
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline EdLee
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For beginners. Hmm, :wc: is a common probe. First feeling is the head-butt :b1:, but I'll study more. :study:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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[go]$$Bm47
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #77 Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:21 am 
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[go]$$Bm47
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


trigger:
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[go]$$Bm47
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 3 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . 4 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: #193 TIM82 vs EdLee
Post #78 Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:29 pm 
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If I get my trigger, Ed REALLY should play at 51 below next IMO. It's quite likely that I would ignore whatever else to get that :twisted: . I leaved A below unplayed at 50, because I think Ed might have responded at or around B, which I did not want.

If play proceeds as below, see the diagram after that.
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[go]$$Bm47
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 3 a . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . b . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . 4 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


I have to decide whether 52 below is sente for 53. Currently I think it is. If so, after that A seems really nice still. If I get this diagram, I feel really good about the game.
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[go]$$Bm51
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . b . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . c . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #79 Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:27 am 
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oh, forgot some things from last post:

It may be unnecesary to explain to most, but might help some beginners to evaluate what happened: If you consider my marked white move and black's subsequent moves, what happened was that black ignored my top right approach and created a weak group in gote, which enabled me to play the next move (46) on top right too. This made me happy :D
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[go]$$Wm46
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . 3 1 4 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 2 . ? ? |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . 5 . X ? ? ? |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . ? ? |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X ? ? |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . W 6 ? ? |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 ? ? |
$$ | ? ? . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | ? ? O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | ? ? ? . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . ? ? |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X ? ? |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O B . . . . , . ? ? |
$$ | . X X O O X ? ? ? O . . O . . X ? ? ? |
$$ | . X O . . ? ? ? ? ? . . . . . . ? ? ? |
$$ | . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . . . ? ? ? |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


And a try at counting above diagram, just to train myself at it:
      W top: 18
      W left: 7
      W bottom: 18
      B left side corners 15+
      B top right 13
      B bottom right 15+

W = 43 + 6,5 = ~50
B = 43++

I seem to be somewhere between even and ahead by komi, and my potential (at center) seem far better to B.

Any comments on this evaluation would be greatly ppreciated, btw. I have very little experience counting mid-game.
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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #193 TIM82 vs EdLee
Post #80 Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:24 pm 
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It looks like the problems with the server have been fixed for the moment.
TIM82 wrote:
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[go]$$Wm46
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . 3 1 4 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 2 . ? ? |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . 5 . X ? ? ? |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . ? ? |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X ? ? |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . W 6 ? ? |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 ? ? |
$$ | ? ? . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | ? ? O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | ? ? ? . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . ? ? |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X ? ? |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O B . . . . , . ? ? |
$$ | . X X O O X ? ? ? O . . O . . X ? ? ? |
$$ | . X O . . ? ? ? ? ? . . . . . . ? ? ? |
$$ | . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . . . ? ? ? |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
I don't think Black should play at :b53: but, perhaps, at :w54: instead.

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