I was playing a handicap game against black and this situation arose that looked quite like the archetype for the "patting the raccoon's belly" problem:
I tried something like this, but I had to let part of the group get away.
Something like this is more aggressive, but I don't see a way to prevent ko, and even without the ko it's far from a clean capture.
What's the cleanest way to capture the black stones? If it's different than the "patting the raccoon's belly" trick, why?
Patting the raccoon's belly
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Re: Patting the raccoon's belly
Also, if you compare this to the racoon-thing that you linked, if you look at the second diagram:
White plays
AFTER 
. In your case, there are two hanes before you play on the first line.
Either way, probably just good to read in these cases.
White plays
AFTER . In your case, there are two hanes before you play on the first line.Either way, probably just good to read in these cases.
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Re: Patting the raccoon's belly
You forgot the essence of 'patting the raccoon's belly'.
The idea behind
here is to make a and b miai. When your opponent played a, you just went on with thoughtlessly with the memorized pattern and played c.
Not only that, but even if your opponent had played b himself, cutting directly at a is still the correct move. Because of the marked stone, Black can't hope to escape anyway.
Don't just play memorized patterns without understanding their essence.
Edit: There's no problem with playing directly at b here and, if I'm reading this right, it's actually less messy than
in this particular situation, because of a lack of liberties from the marked stone's group. I did just wake up, but I think this assumption is correct... 
The idea behind
here is to make a and b miai. When your opponent played a, you just went on with thoughtlessly with the memorized pattern and played c.Not only that, but even if your opponent had played b himself, cutting directly at a is still the correct move. Because of the marked stone, Black can't hope to escape anyway.
Don't just play memorized patterns without understanding their essence.
Edit: There's no problem with playing directly at b here and, if I'm reading this right, it's actually less messy than
in this particular situation, because of a lack of liberties from the marked stone's group. I did just wake up, but I think this assumption is correct...
Last edited by Phoenix on Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:32 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Patting the raccoon's belly
To hane is the most clean way. The other tesuji in this kind of shape is to attach underneath to the right of your original move. It is to make ko when the racoon belly doesn't work. But in this case, the simple block works because whites stones to the left can just escape and whites corner has enough liberties to capture black.