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Post #81 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:23 am 
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Strategy's hard, and a lot of it depends on finicky details (if your strategy depends on some joseki, the right moves in joseki in turn depend on the details of some complicated corner fight, etc.). It also depends on positional judgment a lot of the time, and it's really hard to explain positional judgment: I can feel the difference between two positions, but I can't really explain the real reason why I think one is better. I can find some reasons to tell people, but the real reason is hard to pin down and it's a matter of feeling for me. I would just rather not talk about it, and focus on life and death, because life and death is a surefire way to get strong, and you can invent the strategy yourself if your life and death is good.


But here you are. Here they all are. I mean people should be able to discuss strategy at any level, but many, it seems, deny that they even have a strategy, though for example hyper aggressive approach moves seems like a dead ringer for a strategy or tsumego problems in the corner, maybe they ought to own up to the fact that they have a strategy, and start threads on their respective strategies and learn to appreciate other strategies and quit mucking up my threads with petty assessments of strength. :grumpy:

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Post #82 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:41 am 
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I think we mean different things when we say 'strategy'. What does that word mean to you?

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Post #83 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:53 pm 
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I think we mean different things when we say 'strategy'. What does that word mean to you?


I don't think you have a definition to work from so what is the point?

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Post #84 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:18 am 
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SmoothOper, please make your points in a less abrasive manner. The discussion of the relative merits of strategy and tactics work is indeed interesting (to me and others), but this thread is mostly not interesting to me simply because the majority of it is so confrontational.

You want to make "tsumego nuts" appreciate the value of strategy more, but it's not a goal you can achieve by insulting them all.


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Post #85 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:53 am 
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You want to make "tsumego nuts" appreciate the value of strategy more, but it's not a goal you can achieve by insulting them all.


No I don't want them to appreciate the value of strategy. I want them to stop mucking up my thread by trying to disqualifying discussions of strategy with tsumego and strength, so that I can look at the finer points of the strategy behind Chinese Fuseki. If the Moderator wants to discuss the relative merits of strategy and tactics, please start a thread about that, thanks.

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Post #86 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:01 am 
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No I don't want them to appreciate the value of strategy. I want them to stop mucking up my thread by trying to disqualifying discussions of strategy with tsumego and strength, so that I can look at the finer points of the strategy behind Chinese Fuseki. If the Moderator wants to discuss the relative merits of strategy and tactics, please start a thread about that, thanks.

This thread is about balanced attack That's something that can only be achieved with reading developed from solving problems, there is not "strategy" that someone can tell you that makes you able to do that.

PS. being the OP doesn't make this "your thread".

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Post #87 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:07 am 
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In this video you can find some strategy ideas about attack, and some examples are from the chinese fuseki

http://vimeo.com/44171860 (it is the first ASR lecture from Hwang In-Seong)


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Post #88 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:15 am 
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You want to make "tsumego nuts" appreciate the value of strategy more, but it's not a goal you can achieve by insulting them all.


No I don't want them to appreciate the value of strategy. I want them to stop mucking up my thread by trying to disqualifying discussions of strategy with tsumego and strength, so that I can look at the finer points of the strategy behind Chinese Fuseki. If the Moderator wants to discuss the relative merits of strategy and tactics, please start a thread about that, thanks.


Your thread title was "Balanced Attack", with the first post "Is there a concept of Balanced Attack in the Japanese literature?". Many of the contributions have been related to literature, video, and attacking ideas and concepts.

Nothing hinted at the thread being about the Chinese Fuseki. If you want to discuss the merits of different strategies involving the Chinese Fuseki, feel free to start a thread about that instead ;)

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