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Post #21 Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:39 pm 
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You know, I'm not sure you can compare blitz to short mid-level time limits. Blitz is very much about instinct. A game with two hours main time isn't about instinct, but it's still not possible to make the same kind of careful strategies as with six hours.

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Post #22 Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:22 pm 
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I think the lesson to be learned is to always spend a byo-yomi period making sure that the time-suji you're about to play actually works.

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Post #23 Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:17 pm 
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I will post an inspiring game from two weeks ago: Lee Changho wins against Lee Sedol after a spectacular game.
Hey, he's Lee Changho, so he's gotta have some good days, too. Then again, I freely admit that I am a biased fan. :) Thanks for the game record. I hope that he wins that KBS title again.

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Post #24 Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:34 pm 
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For a legend, Lee Changho doesn't seem to get the respect that he deserves sometimes. Part of it is that he was always framed in the media narrative as the diligent student because Cho Hunhyun was put into the genius role.


Something I've mentioned before (and an assertion I still stand by) is that Lee Changho's big "problem" is that his career was not tragically cut short. If he had disappeared in 2001 after winning the Ing and being on top of the go world for nearly a decade we could only speculate if anyone could ever have beaten him and what heights of greatness he might achieve...Instead there is nothing to wonder about. We know exactly how great he ended up, and we get plenty of games from him once he was past his peak. From a "legend" standpoint it takes a little bit of the magic out of it to be given a reminder that he is in fact, human.

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Post #25 Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:50 pm 
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2nd game;
Shin Minjoon(1p 1999) defeated Choi Chulhan by 2.5.


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3rd game Lee Sedol vs Byun Sangil(2p 1997) 1/13 1pm(Korea)


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Post #26 Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:28 am 
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Seems very promising for Korean go, even if these are just single games.

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Post #27 Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:07 am 
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lemmata wrote:
For a legend, Lee Changho doesn't seem to get the respect that he deserves sometimes. Part of it is that he was always framed in the media narrative as the diligent student because Cho Hunhyun was put into the genius role.


Something I've mentioned before (and an assertion I still stand by) is that Lee Changho's big "problem" is that his career was not tragically cut short. If he had disappeared in 2001 after winning the Ing and being on top of the go world for nearly a decade we could only speculate if anyone could ever have beaten him and what heights of greatness he might achieve...Instead there is nothing to wonder about. We know exactly how great he ended up, and we get plenty of games from him once he was past his peak. From a "legend" standpoint it takes a little bit of the magic out of it to be given a reminder that he is in fact, human.


Well, let's consider the international results from the 2002-2012 period, from all the major non-blitz tournaments (ING, Samsung, LG, Fujitsu, Chunlan, Toyota Oza, BC Card).

Lee Sedol has played in 16 finals.
Lee Changho has played in 14 finals
Gu Li has played in 10 finals.
Chang Hao has played in 7 finals.

Besides this four players, no other player has reached a final more than 3-4 times.

So even when he is past his peak, he is second only to a Lee Sedol in his prime (arguably the world player of the decade). This is how good Lee Changho is.

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Post #28 Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:42 pm 
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3rd game;
Lee Sedol defeated Byun Sangil(2p 1997) by 0.5.

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Post #29 Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:44 pm 
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Is there some sort of unwritten rule about little kids wearing parkas to their games?

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Post #30 Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:01 pm 
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Is there some sort of unwritten rule about little kids wearing parkas to their games?

Not only those kids. Those parkas, called "padding" in Konglish, are kind of uniformizing among Korean students.

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Post #31 Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:08 pm 
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The unwritten rule is probably called winter.

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Post #32 Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:12 pm 
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I looked at the temp for korea now, I think I would be sweating in that kind of clothe...

The kid looks about ready to quit baduk forever! Maybe sedol could have been no so severe and dance in front of him at 0.5 point...

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Post #33 Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:24 pm 
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tchan001 wrote:
The unwritten rule is probably called winter.

Check out any Korean schools in March.

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Post #35 Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:48 pm 
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It's official. Lee Sedol is the biggest 0.5 troll of the century.

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Post #36 Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:44 am 
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Those pictures are hilarious, lovelove.


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Post #37 Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:04 pm 
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That right side with the unfinished 34 joseki bottom combined with the probe on the keima looked like an exact study out of Lee Changho's novel plays and shapes. I would conclude that the weakness is due to people studying their games and styles in depth.

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Post #38 Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:54 pm 
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That right side with the unfinished 34 joseki bottom combined with the probe on the keima looked like an exact study out of Lee Changho's novel plays and shapes. I would conclude that the weakness is due to people studying their games and styles in depth.

game of go is so profound that studying their game doesnt make much difference....may be some effect on fuseki.
I think it has more to do with their concentration level. I am 45 years old and i have noticed that my concentration level went down significantly past 10 years. you can have 99% moves correct but missing 1% will result in you losing.

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Post #39 Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:11 pm 
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the right side is kind of joseki (104 games in my search in GoGoD, with a surprising,imh, 58,7% win for w)

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Post #40 Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:25 pm 
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gasana wrote:
the right side is kind of joseki (104 games in my search in GoGoD, with a surprising,imh, 58,7% win for w)


That sequence is indeed a standard opening, though I have heard that recently it is considered slightly good for white. I was interested that when Remi Coulom used CrazyStone to analyse a game of mine that featured this opening, it thought that it was good for white (Black wins 45%). This is an objective result from Monte Carlo analysis rather than pro judgement, but they seem to agree, as does the GoGoD win rate.

Here's the CrazyStone analysis:

http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/~coulo ... is-21.html

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