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 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #81 Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:56 am 
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@drmwc,

Why not this extend? It's what lovelove, Magicwand, and me expected.

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[go]$$cm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #82 Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:00 am 
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@Uberdude
below cut can not be good for black. my assessment say that black is ahead so dont need to fight.
also...that cut will stablize weak white group on the bottom and erase black influence.
all white have to do is play as below to accomplish that.
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[go]$$cm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X 1 X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #83 Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:07 am 
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@MW,
Yeah, that cut didn't look very good to me either, just trying to find some reason for black's h10, and taking away white h9 sente makes the cut work a bit better perhaps, though still not good.

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Post #84 Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:11 am 
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[go]$$cm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Including a reply to Ubderdude:

As before, this moves stabilises blacks group, remove W's moyo and gives me many cuts to aim at later. I still haven't found a fierce attack against my ponnuki.

In terms of the rough count I gave earlier, B has gained around 10 points on the RHS (more if I can enclose the corner finally), and points on the LHS. W may gain 10-15 points in the centre form the previous count, although this will take another move, so I believe that the game is slightly in B's favrou

Alternatives for this move included:

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[go]$$cm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


74 is a key point, so I dislike this variation for me. (It's probably playable for B, but it's not clear cut.)

So this is an alternative to 73 above for me:


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[go]$$cm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, the move at 71 in this variation is a loss without compensation, and so the game is better.


For the prveious move,

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[go]$$cm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 5 . X . X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 2 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X a . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is the natural sequence. W 74 is a good point. If I don't reply at 75, I may become quite thin with these two groups, as shown in the final diagram. Following 75, W can aim at a, for example (which may be payable immediately.)


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[go]$$cm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 2 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #85 Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:22 am 
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[go]$$cm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think black has some difficulty to catch up komi.

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Post #86 Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:26 pm 
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[go]$$cm75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . 1 . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's a complex position. I have many options.

One possibility is this:

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[go]$$cm75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . b . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . 9 . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . 6 3 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , a 2 1 . 5 , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O 4 X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If W negelct to play at 80, I can aim at a.

Following this, I have around 50-55 points on the RHS. Top right is still 5 for me points.
I seem likley to get 10-15 points on the left, giving me 65-75 total.

W still has 20 top left, although he can expand this. He has a new central moyo around b with between 5 and 15 points. Bottom left is still 10 points. Lower side group is about 15-20 points. Total is 50-65 points plus komi. So it seems reasonably close, but W will need a very good move on the LHS to make the maximum there whilst restricitng me. I couldn't find anything, so if I'm right I have reasonable winning chances.

Other moves I considered where:

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[go]$$cm75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . c . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , a . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O d X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a works well if W answers passively, but W may counterattack. d is similar to the game, but W' territory isn't particualrly well defined in the game. b doesn't seem to achieve very much.

c is interesting - it leave the corner open, but if W takes it immediately B is thick on the outside. However, the varation I chose feels more clear cut.

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Post #87 Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:45 pm 
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[go]$$cm75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O 2 X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The game seems quite easy to me this way.

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[go]$$cm75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X . 3 , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Possible continuation:

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[go]$$cm75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . 8 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . 6 5 . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X 4 3 , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O 2 X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



If it goes like this, the count is similar to in my previous post. W needs a good device on the LHS.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . 0 9 . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X 8 7 , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems the biggest endgame

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



One possibility:

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[go]$$cm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 3 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 6 7 . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X 5 . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


B has connected. W has gained around 10 points on the LHS, which is now around 25-30 points for W. W may additionally get 5-15 points in the centre, 10 lower left corner and 10-20 points lower side. W count: 55-75 points plus komi. To get the upper count, W needs a lot of points both in the centres and across the lower side. These areas are roughly miai, so 60-65 points seems reaslistic.

B has just over 15-20 points on the LHS; 45-55 RHS, and 5-10 top right. B total: 65-85 points. This implies it's very close, and to be decided in the big yose.

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[go]$$cm81
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X 7 5 X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O 6 X 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



We may have a fight:
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . 5 1 3 . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a 4 O . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I can handle this - I have a connection at a if necessary. However, if W connects, I think I can cut:


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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . 5 1 3 . 7 O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a 4 O 6 . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There may be a semeai, but it should be playable for B. So W may need to copmromise:

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 5 . 7 O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O 6 . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, this doesn't work for W.

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 O . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This line also seems OK for me.

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[go]$$cm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I may end up sacrficing 3 stones:

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[go]$$cm91
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X 3 . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 5 6 X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . 7 8 0 . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 X a . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . b X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


At this point, I will force at a, then maybe play at b. Territorially, it should be OK for me.

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Post #97 Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:35 am 
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Let me see how he replies.

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 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #98 Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:02 am 
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 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #99 Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:20 am 
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A satisfying move.

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Post #100 Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:27 am 
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