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Offline drmwc
 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #121 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:41 pm 
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I went for a 12 mile walk today. En route back, I got a puncture and the tyre fell off my car. I don't have a spare tyre, since my car is a silly new one, and it took the AA over 4 hours to send a pick-up truck. :mad:

None of this is stictly relevant to the game, of course.

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[go]$$cm111
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | 2 1 X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . 5 . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | 3 O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If lovelove connects, my thinking is as follows:

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[go]$$cm111
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . 8 . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . 7 9 . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | 2 1 X . X . . . . g . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . 5 . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O 6 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O b . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | 3 O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X a O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a and b are approximate miai. I am threatening c, so 6 is tempting for W (although it may not be mistake.) 11 and 13 are quite, and my sente,

Following this, W has around 16 points top left. (c still works). Top right is likely to be quite small - it may be as low as 4 points. Bottome left is 10 points. If W plays at a, the lower side group has around 30 points. Total: 60 plus komi.


B has around 50 points RHS, 20 points LHS (if I get b - 12 points if not. But I gave W a in this count, so giving me b seems fair.) 5 points top right. Total: 75. B leads by around 10.

The one line I will give further thought to before playing 7 is a W respsone at g (to 7).
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Offline lovelove
 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #122 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:58 pm 
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[go]$$cm111 B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O 6 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline EdLee
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Post #123 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:35 pm 
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drmwc wrote:
I got a puncture and the tyre fell off my car. I don't have a spare tyre, since my car is a silly new one, and it took the AA over 4 hours to send a pick-up truck. :mad:
That's super annoying. What's the connection between the car new and no spare?
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Post #124 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:00 pm 
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EdLee wrote:
drmwc wrote:
I got a puncture and the tyre fell off my car. I don't have a spare tyre, since my car is a silly new one, and it took the AA over 4 hours to send a pick-up truck. :mad:
That's super annoying. What's the connection between the car new and no spare?

Many new cars don't have a spare by default, although they should have repair-kit (repair foam and a small compressor) instead. Most cars can be ordered with a spare as an extra feature though.

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Offline drmwc
 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #125 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:34 am 
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I have a puncture repair kit. However, since the tyre flew off, using it would be like trying to use a plaster to cure a severed limb.

My car is now repaired, and no-one was hurt, so it's not too bad.

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[go]$$cm111
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . 7 . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



As planned.

One possible line:
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 4 . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O 3 . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . 5 . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . 1 . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . 2 . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O 9 O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O 0 O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X 8 O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


and B seems to have a small lead.
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Offline lovelove
 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #126 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:26 am 
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[go]$$cm111
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #127 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:01 pm 
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How do you feel the game is going, small lead for either side or about even?
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Offline drmwc
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Post #128 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:49 pm 
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[go]$$cm111
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O 9 . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Resisting as below looks like it may be better for me, but it's risky.


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[go]$$cm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . 7 . . 0 . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . 5 2 4 . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O 6 3 X 8 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$cm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . 3 . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X 1 2 . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . X O O . 6 . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . X 4 . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


W gets a ko here.

I probably have stronger moves in the second diagram (e.g. 1 at 2 may work, altough I think I collapse) but it's not very clearcut at all.
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Offline lovelove
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Post #129 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:23 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm120
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X 1 . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . 2 . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . . . O 3 X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm now 100% sure of my win.

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Offline Loons
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Post #130 Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:05 am 
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Post #131 Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:18 am 
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[go]$$Wcm120
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . 4 . . . O X O . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . . . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #132 Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:40 pm 
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[go]$$cm121
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . X . . . O X O . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X 4 . . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #133 Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:29 am 
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I am disappointed in lovelove! How could he betray his name and fail to complete the "heart" formation! :mad: :D
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[go]$$cm121
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . W W X W W . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . W . . W . W , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . W X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . X Q . . W X O . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . . . W W X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline wineandgolover
 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #134 Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:31 am 
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Seems even on the board, with white maybe slightly ahead, but more reduceable. Finding enough to make up komi seems hard though. But I suck at counting far worse than drmwc. Kinda sad we didn't have a nice brawl.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #135 Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:41 pm 
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i think it is too close to call.
white can not say he is winning yet.

My question on black's comment...
how can he say a and b are miai?
"a" is gote and "b" is sente. they can not be miai.
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[go]$$cm111
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . 8 . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . 7 9 . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | 2 1 X . X . . . . g . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . 5 . . . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O 6 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O b . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | 3 O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X a O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline drmwc
 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #136 Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:41 am 
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[go]$$cm121
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . 5 X . . . O X O . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My three options are a ,b, c. I'm not sure there's a big difference between c and a - I chose a because it's tighter. b is probably a mnistake.

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[go]$$cm121
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . X b c e . . . O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . a X . . . O X O . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If W plays at e, the contrast between W's shape in the top R and mine in the bottom L is quite entertaining!
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 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #137 Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:36 pm 
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[go]$$cm121
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X 6 . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . X X . . . O X O . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think this is sente.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X 1 . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . 2 . X X . . . O X O . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #138 Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:21 pm 
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I think lovelove meant this:
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[go]$$Wcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X 1 . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . 3 . X X . . . O X O . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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Post #139 Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:40 am 
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[go]$$cm121
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X 7 . X . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . X X . . . O X O . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


126 is a good move. It is double sente. It would been nice have taken a chance to play as shown:

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | 8 O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | 7 O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . b . X X . . a O X O . X . |
$$ | 6 O 9 X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | 2 1 X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | 5 3 X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | O O X O X 3 . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | 2 O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . X X . . . O X O . X . |
$$ | O O 1 X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe I could have played this sequence insttead of 123. I was worried that move 1 in the first diagram may not really be sente, but it leaves a huge move behind.

There are various possible ways of resisting W 126, but none of them look very good. For example, atari at a in the first diagram potentially loses point.

For W 127, I have left a peep behind at b. This clearly loses me some points. I beleive that 127 is more efficient on the upper side, which regains those points, for example:

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[go]$$cm127
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O 4 O 7 9 . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O 3 . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X 1 5 X . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . 2 . X X . . . O X O . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . 6 . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If something like this happens, the 29-30 exchange is reasonably helpful to me.
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Post #140 Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:32 pm 
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[go]$$cm121
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X X . X . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . 8 . X X . . . O X O . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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