#206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

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:-?
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[go]$$Wcm21 I'm lazy to think about this one.
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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Post by Magicwand »

this would make that peep sour.
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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

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[go]$$Wcm21
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:P
Oh man, he's giving me an unhidden smiley. Better give one back ;). Perhaps it's because my last move should have been at 3-3? That likely would've been better.

Anyway, I don't want this group to get surrounded and captured, so I have to jump out.
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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

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[go]$$Wcm21
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$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

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[go]$$Wcm21
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . 6 . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
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I feel this is useful for solidifying my shape. If he makes a bamboo, I'll extend as below.

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[go]$$Wcm1
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$$ | . . . . 1 O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . 2 O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Afterward, I still have the ability in the future to separate his two groups, with a sequence such as the one below.

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O O . 2 3 . 7 O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 1 O 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Last edited by Dusk Eagle on Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

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Dusk Eagle wrote:Afterward, I still have the ability in the future to separate his two groups, with a sequence such as the one below.

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[go]$$Wcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O O . 2 3 . 7 O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 1 O 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Is it just me, or does that sequence look very weird?

Should it be:
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O O . 2 3 . 7 O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 1 O 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

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@Dusk Eagle
Your last diagram (where you show the sequence to cut) has White and Black moves reversed.
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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The Intrepid wrote:@Dusk Eagle Your last diagram has White and Black moves reversed.

Whoops, I normally preview my diagrams before submitting, but I guess I forgot to there. Edited.
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Black's play seems careless, he doesn't seem to be trying very hard to find the best moves.
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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

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Uberdude wrote:
Black's play seems careless, he doesn't seem to be trying very hard to find the best moves.

To be fair, White has admitted to the same thing.
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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

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[go]$$Wcm21
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X O O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Post by Bill Spight »

Uberdude wrote:
Black's play seems careless, he doesn't seem to be trying very hard to find the best moves.


Gee, maybe he has been brought up to believe that the opening does not matter that much, that tsumego and reading are all important. ;)
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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

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my first feeling about that move...aji keshi.
it is giving black the flexable shape in sente.
i understand that he doesnt want to play bamboo and try to find something more efficient but that is not what white should play.
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We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
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