Pogo(10k) Vs. Fab(6d)

POGO · Post by **POGO** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:24 am

This was in the kgs asian division first round.
Aga rules

i think i did fairly well in this game. minus some bad shape moments. and move 28.... shouldve cut

quantumf · Post by **quantumf** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:23 am

POGO wrote:This was in the kgs asian division first round.
Aga rules

i think i did fairly well in this game. minus some bad shape moments. and move 28.... shouldve cut

It's hard to really comment on this game. After black killed your big group on bottom right, the game is completely over, so black didn't really have to exert himself. Cutting at 28 would not have made any difference (the cutting stones would have died, by my reading). More specifically, move 42 is how your group died (you couldn't afford the one space jump, needed to be solid).

Your real problems really came with the heavy move of Q7. Perhaps O6 was a better option at that stage.

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:15 am

fab's comment of "some mistakes" at the end was extremely kind. If I may join the grumpy old man club for a minute, you should have resigned this game long before it got to the end (around move 55 it becomes clearly un-winnable for black, especially considering the rank difference). You may not have realized how far behind you were at that point, but at 10k you had to have known you weren't going to win it before playing the endgame... </grumpy old man club>

14: I believe you have to O6. I think this is the beginning of your troubles.

20: You are helping black enclose the bottom.

26: What do you hope to accomplish with this move?

29: Black is connected while you are separated.

I would say more but black is five or six stones stronger than me and I don't really understand exactly how he crushed you so thoroughly in this corner. :cry:

Hope that helps... :-?

EDIT: after further thought, I think 10 might be the mistake with that black pincer already in place. Someone stronger than me could say for sure.

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:26 am

I disagree about resigning. Pogo could have resigned without making a play. The result was never in doubt. The point was to play as well as possible and learn something.

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:35 am

Perhaps I was too harsh. I know I've played a few out that I should have resigned.

POGO · Post by **POGO** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:47 pm

Oh god, i knew i was going to lose the moment i saw he was 4-6d. but i used it as a learnign experence, like how he responded to what i did and etc.

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:53 pm

I think its fine to play it out, but keep in mind that its not so much of a great "learning experience" when a player is 50 points or so ahead and he is also almost 20 stones stronger. You won't learn much from the rest of the game, because he will be just going through the motions and be playing the safest / laziest way he can.

hiyayang · Post by **hiyayang** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:43 pm

I think you should review the game yourself first. For each move you made, answer the two questions:

1. What is the purpose of the move?
2. What are the alternatives (which you considered inferior to the move you made)?

Without knowing your own thought process, it would be difficult for us to comment it. Often it is better to play a suboptimal move for the right reason than an optimal one for the wrong reason.

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