3-3 Invasion: Died but I expected Ko. What went wrong?

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3-3 Invasion: Died but I expected Ko. What went wrong?

Post by Charlie »

In my lunch time game, my opponent (black) played move 111 on san-san in the following position.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ +-----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 1 . . O . . . O .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O
$$ | . . . O . O O O X O .
$$ | . . O . . O X X X X O[/go]
I thought he should have succeeded in getting a ko in the corner but he died.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ +-----------------------
$$ | . . b . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 5 . 3 4 . . . . . .
$$ | . a 1 2 . O . . . O .
$$ | . 6 7 O . . . . . , .
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O
$$ | . . . O . O O O X O .
$$ | . . O . . O X X X X O[/go]
After this, a and b are miai. (Black played a, in the game.)
Was it possible for black to live or to rip white off for over-playing?
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Re: 3-3 Invasion: Died but I expected Ko. What went wrong?

Post by Uberdude »

Locally (4-4 plus 2 knight's moves) the 3-3 is dead but with bad aji, with that amount of outside thickness white can surely kill.

http://senseis.xmp.net/?364463Enclosure33Invasion
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Re: 3-3 Invasion: Died but I expected Ko. What went wrong?

Post by Charlie »

My sequence was right, then? What else could have happened?
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Re: 3-3 Invasion: Died but I expected Ko. What went wrong?

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My go teacher taught me to play the ko shape in the corner (if appropriate) immedietly, and then leave it without starting the ko. Later in the game, your opponent might answer differently having thickness at his disposal.
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