What memorisation technique worked for you? Words in a list? Diagram flash cards? Mnemonics?Dusk Eagle wrote:I personally memorized them when I was 5k and felt a definite jump in my skill level around that time, and I probably could've benefited from learning them even earlier.
Learning how to deal with the L-groups
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Re: Learning how to deal with the L-groups
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Re: Learning how to deal with the L-groups
I didn't consciously use any advanced memorization techniques. Take the L-group for example. I just, with the help of Sensei's, understood how each attempt at living with it failed, and after looking at and thinking deeply about the shape on a couple of occasions I had it memorized. Same for most other shapes I know. To me, memorizing a Go shape is a combination of pattern recognition and understanding various sequences that can result. YMMV.
Addendum: I'm not sure how good your pattern recognition is yet, since you're somewhat of a beginner. Being able to recognize a shape you've seen before is something that improves with time.
Addendum: I'm not sure how good your pattern recognition is yet, since you're somewhat of a beginner. Being able to recognize a shape you've seen before is something that improves with time.
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
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Re: Learning how to deal with the L-groups
Personally, when I do memorize study in go,PeterPeter wrote:What memorisation technique....
I split the sequence in 10~20 moves (well I usually don't need to do this for josekis), put them inside my head, replay that 10~20 moves myself, and check if it is right.
If right, advance to the next 10~20. If wrong, repeat.
Somehow, this memorization process gets faster and accurate as you get stronger in go. I don't know why.
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Re: Learning how to deal with the L-groups
Losing games, basically. You die once, the shape begins to look familiar. You die two or three times, you start to wonder if that shape has a name. The next time you die in that shape, you'll remember a name, but it will be the wrong name. The fifth time you die, you'll remember the right name, but only after the group is already dead. After dying six times, you'll remember the name of the dead shape you're making two or three moves before it is actually played out, but you still won't remember whether it's dead or alive. And so on.PeterPeter wrote: What memorisation technique worked for you? Words in a list? Diagram flash cards? Mnemonics?
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Re: Learning how to deal with the L-groups
I'd say if you have to work very hard to memorize the L group and the sequences don't stick with you, then possibly you're not at a point where you would benefit much from it. But if with mild effort you can understand all the variations once shown them, and solve other related problems once you been primed with the "main" variations, then learning it might be good. That was the case for me somewhere around 4k-7k, where I discovered sensei's pages on the L and J groups and a few other miscellaneous shapes ("notchers"), started noticing them everywhere in my games and paying attention, and soon improved a stone as a result.
I think a great deal of the benefit is not the memorization of the one specific shape, but rather generally having a feel for the relevant key points and sequences so that you can more easily solve similar shapes that come up in your games, even if not quite the same. And also knowing the status and what things affect the status so that you can make better judgments in situations in real games that would otherwise be much harder to read out from scratch.
Examples of the sorts of questions for which knowledge of L-group-like shapes can help, at least for a few of the variations:
I think a great deal of the benefit is not the memorization of the one specific shape, but rather generally having a feel for the relevant key points and sequences so that you can more easily solve similar shapes that come up in your games, even if not quite the same. And also knowing the status and what things affect the status so that you can make better judgments in situations in real games that would otherwise be much harder to read out from scratch.
Examples of the sorts of questions for which knowledge of L-group-like shapes can help, at least for a few of the variations:
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Re: Learning how to deal with the L-groups
Just reading. I also memorised the (simple!) L-groups. Here's a quick-and-dirty, detail-free introduction to the L-groups - if you do the reading yourself, I promise you you won't forget them! The simple L-groups are easy because there's very few ways in which white can kill, and very few ways in which black can live - the eyespace is small and there are no tricky shortage of liberty problems or anything like that. And, helpfully, basically the whole situation succumbs to the proverb "your enemy's key point is your own".PeterPeter wrote:What memorisation technique worked for you?
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Re: Learning how to deal with the L-groups
I know that you wanted to make a point with the two vital points but the regular shape move for the L+2 group with this Hane by White is the following:
It's better endgame-wise (my reasoning ^^).
It's better endgame-wise (my reasoning ^^).
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Re: Learning how to deal with the L-groups
Completely agree - my spoiler is only intended to be a brain-free way of getting a handle on the basics of the shape and telling whether you've lived or died at a glance, hopefully streamlining the process for Peter (who said he found it difficult). (It's how I initially rationalised the L-groups to myself, and it's very natural, I think.) I now find complicated lines easier to read precisely because I learnt what I wrote in my spoiler. I am no authority on L-groups!SoDesuNe wrote:I know that you wanted to make a point with the two vital points but the regular shape move for the L+2 group with this Hane by White is the following
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Re: Learning how to deal with the L-groups
I like the idea of escape routes for white. Thank you.
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Re: Learning how to deal with the L-groups
In my case, I memorize the sayings or phrases themselves, and the initial shape attached to them. When I see one of those shapes, I always read it to be sure, but the more you play such situations with the initial shape and saying/phrase in mind, the more you can focus your reading.
I've failed to kill some groups which should have died, and lived with groups I shouldn't, due to me or my opponents not being aware of the usual lines of play, but by reviewing them after each failure(or success), I started to remember some of the key points and lines of play.
I still don't know them all by heart, and don't even try, as I hate memorization per se.
I've failed to kill some groups which should have died, and lived with groups I shouldn't, due to me or my opponents not being aware of the usual lines of play, but by reviewing them after each failure(or success), I started to remember some of the key points and lines of play.
I still don't know them all by heart, and don't even try, as I hate memorization per se.