#197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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I'm confused by MW's last move. Why spend so much time and planning and stones to strengthen and stabilize his bottom group, somehow get a ponnuki, if he's going to attach with it?

And what if Joaz disregards the corner and plays D5 or something similar next? A good batch of MW's moves will essentially go to waste.

Am I getting this wrong? :scratch:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . X O W . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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MW just played a contact move, which he had to protect in gote. :scratch: He has no respect for my stone at C11. :-?

I must change that. :rambo:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O B . . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll give MW another chance to make his stone heavy. :lol:
Otherwise, I may take the entire left side.

I think that W attaching at the 3-4 was a mistake. Generally, contact moves are defender's moves: they provoke rapid strengthening of both sides, which is generally better for the defender because the defender needs strengthening more.

Not only does it encourage my group to become stronger, but it allows me to start shoving his lone C6 stone against my relatively strong group to the north. There are variations in which my lower left group may become strong enough that it can turn back on his D3/E3 stones and attack them.

In summary, the general theme of my play is to push north and/or east, and maybe kill something. If I can't kill something, I'll be happy to take center territory while chasing it.
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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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It is difficult to find a good continuation for white. Below are some sample continuations:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X 1 3 4 . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . 2 X 5 O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X 5 . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X 1 3 4 . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . 2 X 6 O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O . 7 . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . 6 O X 2 . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X 3 . . . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . 4 X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . 8 . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . 5 O X 2 . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X 3 . . . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . 9 4 X 6 O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . 0 X O O . 7 . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X B . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Locally it is the only move.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O W . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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The view from here:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . B O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Got work to do today, so no diagrams right now...but if I have read correctly, this gives me a slight advantage over the F7 hane. I'll post that later.

Regardless, it is going to get bloody soon. :D
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

he is playing with fire and might get burn.
i selected a variation that is more complicated...
i think this will break his back first and i will see howmuch damage he will do on me..
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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . B X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Letting him have B3 makes life too easy for him, and allows him a free hand for other nefarious and malicious activities. I want him to worry about what happens if I connect at G4.
Below is an exemplary pattern showing what can happen:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O C . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . X X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O X X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . B X O O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 O O . . 4 3 . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he has to keep looking for life down there, eventually I will get to play the cut at F7. Then it gets fun. :twisted:
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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . W . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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Giving white c2 in sente is very generous of black.
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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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Joaz:
Can you show a variation where you might get both G4 and F5?
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