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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #241 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:08 am 
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typo. I meant to say e10. I will play as is.

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[go]$$Bcm222 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X W . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #242 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:30 am 
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[go]$$Bcm333 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . B . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #243 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:03 am 
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[go]$$Bcm333 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , W O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
if he try to kill me...
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[go]$$Bcm333 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , W O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . 2 . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . 1 O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #244 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:52 am 
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[go]$$Bcm444 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O B |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #245 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:23 am 
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[go]$$Bcm444 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . W |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #246 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:41 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm99 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O B O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X C X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is a good sign. If MW really thought that he could win in yose, he would have tenukied or just protected at R7. But when he chooses to play ko, it means that he is still worried about the possibility of losing.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #247 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:33 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm99 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X W . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O B O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

if you answer normally then i take ko..
he is prolonging his agony. how does he expect to win this ko fight?

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Offline Uberdude
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Post #248 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:37 pm 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
This is a good sign. If MW really thought that he could win in yose, he would have tenukied or just protected at R7. But when he chooses to play ko, it means that he is still worried about the possibility of losing.


Errr, no. Connect is gote. Ko is likely sente as this ko is a bigger risk for black (who stands to lose a lot in corner) than white so probably black will end up connecting at t4. That's my feeling without actually counting ko threats.
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #249 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:15 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . 2 . . |
$$ | . X X 4 a X O . O X . . . . X X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O C O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X 3 X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I you play 'a', I take ko.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #250 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:02 pm 
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Answer ko threat
If you take ko I will use c14 if you cut I connect if you capture my stone then I take ko

Hope I was clear enough.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X 1 X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . 6 3 4 O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O 5 O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O 2 O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X 7 X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #251 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:57 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 2 O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O 1 X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O 3 O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X C X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ko threat at 1, if you answer 2, I retake ko with 3.

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Post #252 Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:29 am 
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Post #253 Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:53 am 
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C12 and take ko
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 2 O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O 1 X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 5 4 X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O 3 O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X 6 X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #254 Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:04 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . 1 a O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O 3 O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X C X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If 2 at 'a', then recapture ko at 3.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #255 Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:19 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . 4 . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . 2 . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . 1 . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O 3 O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X C X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #256 Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:20 pm 
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I don't think that's big enough, particularly as I don't think it kills. White could play to make a nice new ko:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X 8 C 2 |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . 5 4 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . 6 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But, more likely, White will just live:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X 5 6 . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X 7 . X 4 8 . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O 9 . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . 0 . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X 6 . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X 7 . X 4 . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O 5 . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . 8 . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


... So instead he can force Black to protect the corner and keep sente:


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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X 4 . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O 9 8 C 6 |
$$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . 5 . |
$$ | . 7 O 0 . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #257 Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:11 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | 1 O . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X 3 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X 2 X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I answer at 1; if you retake ko at 2, I play 3.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #258 Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:44 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | 1 O . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X 3 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X 2 C |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 4 |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #259 Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:45 pm 
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@magicwand:

I'm curious, why did you feel the need to protect Joaz' last ko threat - does this not work fine:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X 4 . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It seemed like this is a loss of only a few points for a bigger gain - are you hoping to just win the ko with no loss at all?
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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #260 Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:47 pm 
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3 is not the followup, how about where MW played instead?

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