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Offline Dusk Eagle
 Post subject: Re: #213 Dusk Eagle vs Magicwand
Post #41 Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:40 pm 
Gosei
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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Did not expect that move, and I don't quite know what he's going for with it yet.

In this position, there's a timing issue involved in if and when to play 'a' as a forcing move. Right now, I don't think it's the right time, so I'll save it for now.

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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #213 Dusk Eagle vs Magicwand
Post #42 Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:09 am 
Tengen
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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #213 Dusk Eagle vs Magicwand
Post #43 Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:40 am 
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DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
last exchange prevent black from peep at 'a'
since i lost the flow of the game...i need to move one step further.
my opponent has not played Q4 which i think he should do soon as possible.
this might bite his butt later because i will not answer him after i play 'b' trying to kill whole group.
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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . a . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X 5 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline Dusk Eagle
 Post subject: Re: #213 Dusk Eagle vs Magicwand
Post #44 Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:36 am 
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$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Maybe this is better than what I posted before?

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 3 , X O . O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #213 Dusk Eagle vs Magicwand
Post #45 Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:04 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline Dusk Eagle
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Post #46 Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:28 am 
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[go]$$Bcm40
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . X 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This is a probe. He has two ways to respond.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . a O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O O 6 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . X O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O 2 7 |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 3 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

If he ataris at :w1: above, I can get the hane at :b6: in sente, Later, if he gets a move around 'a', :b6: lets me play 'b' to connect.

(Alternate variation:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O 4 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X X X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O O 3 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O , O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Then :b2: and :b4: remove most of his options for targeting this group of stones.)

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O 1 . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X O 7 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . 2 O 9 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . 0 . |
$$ | 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Whereas if he connects with :w1:, then :b2: has more force behind it. I may not play :b2: right away, but when I do, if he responds elsewhere, I can take over the corner. And if he responds locally, it either makes :b2: sente or gives my group even better shape. (There's also the bad aji of me playing :b2: at :b4:.)

In the middle, his last move has left me a couple of good forcing moves against his middle group to make a couple of my groups stronger:

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[go]$$Bcm40
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 4 3 X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . B 1 2 . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , B O 6 O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . B O . 5 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O , . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

On the plus side of this sequence, I get the useful :b3: and :b5: stones. However, I lose a useful liberty on my :bc: stones, so it's not a sequence I want to play automatically without first considering the benefits and drawbacks carefully. That's one of the reasons I'm playing this probe on the right first - to see how he responds before I decide whether I should play the forcing sequence above now or not, and what I should do afterward.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #213 Dusk Eagle vs Magicwand
Post #47 Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:06 am 
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Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
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Rank: Wbaduk 7D
KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm40
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . X 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X O . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
nice timed probe.... bitter mouth :cry:

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Offline lesenv
 Post subject: Re: #213 Dusk Eagle vs Magicwand
Post #48 Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:46 pm 
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will this game go on? i can't wait!
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: #213 Dusk Eagle vs Magicwand
Post #49 Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:27 pm 
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lesenv wrote:
will this game go on? i can't wait!
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I think that MW has gone fishing.

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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #213 Dusk Eagle vs Magicwand
Post #50 Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:53 pm 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
I think that MW has gone fishing.
He might as well, given that it's not his move.

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