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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Wcm112 Move 112 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . X . 1 X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
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This seems to live + kill...
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[go]$$Wcm112 Move 112 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . X . 1 X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Not for the players.

I would have thought that living and killing on a larger scale would be preferable:

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$$ | . X . . X O . X . 1 . X O X O . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Hey, at least this time I gave up stones on purpose. Obviously there's no ko there, not sure what I was thinking, hehe.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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"Not for the players."

Isn't this true of every hidden comment?
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Man... I have to keep playing? Phelan, this is all your fault! Rawr.


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[go]$$Bcm113 Move 113 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . O X O . O O O . , X X X X O . O X . |
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$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Bcm114 Move 114 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . O X O . O O O . , X X X X O . O X . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Bcm115 Move 115 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ok, I counted. White has around 80. Black is a little harder to count. We have 40 certain points with a lot of potential. Violence's move says he wants to make cash in the center. (I would pay money to know if he agreed with my last choice or is just making the best of things...) This move makes around 20 points, with the option for some more. J4 is worth about 25 points (swing value). However, this might be sente, but J4 is gote as hell. If we get half of the center, J4, and either invade the top left or convert the top into points, we will have a very close game. Below is the sequence I expect.
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[go]$$Bcm115 Move 115 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . 4 2 3 . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
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$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O 5 , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm116 Move 116 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
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$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm117 Move 117 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
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$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


couple of reasons to atari here. one, if white plays to protect the atari'd stone blacks moyo gets bigger. two it creates a possible ko.... and three, i don't want white in my moyo!!!
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[go]$$Wcm118 Move 118 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . 1 O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I tried to find something else beyond basic instinct, like a counter atari, for instance, but I didn't like any alternative I could find. So basic instinct it is.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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It seems like daniel's being the most sane so far, so I'll attempt to seal Magicwand's moves and leave it to daniel.


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[go]$$Bcm119 Move 119 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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I forgot to mention it in my analysis, but I thought that Violence might force here first. I will play J4 after Magicwand responds.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Bcm119 Move 119 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Bcm121 Move 121 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O 1 , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

That's a cool 25 points for us assuming I counted and read correctly. I think this game is close. We might be a few points behind; it depends on what happens on the top next.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm122 Move 122 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Kinda annoyed that daniel got that point. It would have been so much nicer if Phelan did last round :D

Still, let's throw a curveball peep. Eyeing up all that aji at the following points:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm122 Move 122 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . d . . c . b . 1 . a . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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