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 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #81 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:48 pm 
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Why low, instead of high? Do you hope to live inside, or break out?

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Post #82 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:06 pm 
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Magicwand:
Why low, instead of high? Do you hope to live inside, or break out?

finally question directed to me :)
i do not have any weak group so his influence doesnt scare me and it is not that hard to make a life in there.
i have enough points to match his points and i am thicker. i believe i am ahead.
if he gives second variation instead of life on the side...i think that is good enough.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #69 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . 4 2 3 . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #69 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . 7 3 2 4 . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . 5 O 1 . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if i go high...i dont see anything intresting.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #69 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . 5 1 O . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 6 . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #83 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #70 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . B X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i am satisfied with simply forcing white into the center because it allowed me to solidify my upper left side.
alternative (i have profit, but white center influence grows):
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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 6 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 3 2 7 . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 4 1 X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . B . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

possible continuation (instead of 2 i consider also directly a, eating his stone and giving up the corner):
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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . B X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . 3 . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . 2 . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . 4 1 . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #84 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:35 pm 
Tengen
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #71 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . W . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
as i stated before..one stone is light..
i will take the corner and also get aji from that one stone.

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 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman vs Magicwand
Post #85 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:07 pm 
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Dusk Eagle wrote:
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Wouldn't L5 be breaking sector lines though? That seems to add merit to the move.


I think that the game has advanced enough to send this in the clear. :)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . 2 X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yes, :b1: breaks sector lines, but White is secure on the right, and has a number of good options on the left. After the diagonal attachment, Black has no eye on the bottom side.

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Post #86 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:59 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #72 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

grr, again i missed one important variation... i thought i would go for this:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Black's plan
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . 5 O 1 . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . 4 6 2 . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

but then i have found this sequence:
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[go]$$Bcm1 White's -possible- plan
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O 1 . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . 6 . 4 5 . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 7 . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

and i dont feel like playing the ko, especially with my groups on the right, just strong enough to be alive
further i can aim at connecting my K3 group to the left, making potencial to the center (and capturing or attacking W C8)

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Post #87 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:57 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #73 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O W . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #88 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:42 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #74 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O B . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I went through other moves with same purpose, and this seems to be the most simple and secure.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1: other ideas
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . a . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . b c . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . d e . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #89 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:06 am 
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To Laman:

Regarding your hidden commentary:

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[go]$$Bcm1 White's -possible- plan
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O 1 . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . 6 4 5 . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What makes you think that W6 cannot connect?

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Post #90 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:02 pm 
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To Laman:

Regarding your hidden commentary:

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[go]$$Bcm1 White's -possible- plan
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O 1 . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . 6 4 5 . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What makes you think that W6 cannot connect?

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err, nothing. sequence youve shown was clearly better for white, my point was that even my, worse variation wasnt preferable for black, so i left that branch and didnt examine it thoroughly. my alfa-beta prunning sometimes makes me miss something important :). luckily this wasnt the case

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Post #91 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:52 pm 
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my alfa-beta prunning sometimes makes me miss something important :). luckily this wasnt the case


Alfa-beta pruning only cuts off unimportant branches. If you're missing something important you should tune your evaluation function!

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #75 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #93 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:43 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #76 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . B O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i wonder what is whites plan here. probably making aji or reducing my development, i dont really know...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1: a or b miai
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . a 2 b . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X 3 . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 2: another continuation
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X 3 . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 2 . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #94 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:19 am 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #77 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . 3 . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #95 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:22 am 
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i will try to teach the rhythm and flow in this thread.
white has some influence in the middle and can try to make some point off that by making a boundary. but i wont play such dull moves because it doesnt have any flow or rhythm.

i probed on left to bulid more threatening influence and now attacking the weak black group. if i can build some more influence and gain sente then i can make bigger boundary.
that is what we call rhythm and flow. it is like a beautiful music that resembles the flow of water (professionals might disagree but i think it was ok sequence).

reason why i put this thread:
i have seen toomany kyu level players who will simply make a boundary and make few points and satisfied. i wish they try to look for this flow i explained above. it will make you stonger faster. i hope it helps.

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Post #96 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:27 am 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #80 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . B X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

oh, i hate this. at first sight i was sure my stones were perfectly safe, but i am not fancy to prove it... white will block F5 and i will most likely have to jump to H8, everything other seems to end in hell and this also isnt something i would be proud of. i can feel now how my stones are heavy and ineffective, i feel i am not doing very well

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Post #97 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:31 am 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #81 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . W X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #82 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . B . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

it is pain. i hope i will survive some way, otherwise it is bad.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 1: one possibility
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . B . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 1 2 . 4 . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 3 . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #99 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:33 am 
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 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
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