Uberdude wrote: Of the 2 that aren't, one hanes in the corner and white gets a large corner and black a wall which makes sense with a pincer fight going on along the side
John Fairbairn wrote:
Second, Oya discusses first an option not mentioned in the quote - White tenukis. However, he rules that as good for Black - the first benefit of Black 2 being a contact play. He gets good shape in the corner too easily by playing at san-san next.
That seemed so obvious to me it wasn't worth saying.
Actually, here's a tenuki I think is playable (as it creates miai) if you want to demonstrate fighting spirit and out-troll your opponent:
TIM82 wrote:Never seen 3 before, but I like the feel of this probe, although I'm probably not seeing even half of the implications. However, what I really don't get is: why just the short extension to A below, seems really slow? Why not e.g. b-c-d sequence instead? Is it bad or just a different game? (I think that if black just makes a wider extension without playing B first, white will play B and black won't be happy). Please enlighten me
When I replayed the game A did surprise me too as being very tight. Pushing and then making a big extension has the downside of pushing on the 4th line so gives up a lot of territory and I don't really like such a gamble here, but it could be worth it sometimes, for example that game ez4u posted with the pincer fighting. Also by not pushing and playing tightly black does aim at d13 which he plays soon after.
I don't follow you here. I thought you said tenuki was bad, nobi to left was white taking the chance to go wrong so that's bad, outside hane was bad, inside hane was good, and the only move in a grey area was nobi to the right which I rejected but Oya said was playable but following orders which is hardly a ringing endorsement. So that seems like 1.5 good replies to me. If there were instances of white choosing an answer other than the inside hane then I'd consider it more of a probe.
I was lazy before and forgot to add a point about limited thinking. It is this: why assume just Black 3 is the probe? Kanazawa may have expected White 4 as played but wanted the really sharp end of the probe to be a little further down the line. For that, a contact play is ideal.
But that seemed so obvious to me I couldn't be bothered to say it. And of course I must be careful not to be accused of trolling any further.
John Fairbairn wrote:It is this: why assume just Black 3 is the probe? Kanazawa may have expected White 4 as played but wanted the really sharp end of the probe to be a little further down the line. For that, a contact play is ideal.
Interesting. Please elaborate, if you can? Are you (or the original author) suggesting black 7 is the real probe? Or the black 5/7 combo? Or even further down?
John Fairbairn wrote:
But that seemed so obvious to me I couldn't be bothered to say it. And of course I must be careful not to be accused of trolling any further.
I suspect the trolling comment referred to black's contact play, not your post. I hope so anyway.
This has been a good thread; thanks for starting it.
John Fairbairn wrote:
But that seemed so obvious to me I couldn't be bothered to say it. And of course I must be careful not to be accused of trolling any further.
I suspect the trolling comment referred to black's contact play, not your post. I hope so anyway.
