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Post #61 Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:02 pm 
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I get excited to attack my opponents weak groups only to find that I'm the one with weak groups.

Probably a result from constantly pushing my opponents stones the wrong way.

This game was frustrating. White had a lonely noodle in the center but it was still a nuisance ._.

A game I had time to play between Black Ops.


Aside: Go made me look at black ops very differently.

Pointing and shooting would be the basic fundamentals.
Then fancy things like Line of Sight and Flanking would be more abstract theory.
Moving while you shoot is somewhere between fundamental and abstract.

The point is when I was a beginner I didn't even think of things like this.
And I can tell when my opponents don't think about these things.

And in my Go I have an extremely different view of the game then when I first started.
And even when I first started posting on the forums. (Not the journal. I believe I still think similarly to when I first made this thread)

It made me wonder what the fundamentals were of other games I've played.
And it's just fun to think about.

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I have this problem where whenever I read this move it doesn't register as a hane.

Idk


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Post #62 Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:21 pm 
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This was a weird calm handicap game.



I got kind of lost with nothing to easily attack. I gave black a very thick group at the start :oops:

I think I missed a lot of good opening moves.

This game made me notice how big the big moves are. if that makes sense.
This was also a game where I didn't fully attack a group all at once but instead slowly attacked it as the game went on.

Overall a really strange game for me.
I felt I got really lucky my opponent played a lot of moves i didn't understand.


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Post #63 Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:09 am 
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Overconcentration

So I know how to make groups weak.
At first it was
How do I surround them? How do I shrink their eye space? How can I poke out eyes?
This eventually evolved and added.
How can I invade and split him into two weak groups?
How can I cut his stones to make him work against himself?

I have an idea of how to move stones.
Where can he run? Where do I block him from?

Which led to an idea of, How do I chase him to force me to make moves I want to make.

I don't really understand over concentration.

How do I make his move redundant?
But without being adji keshi.

How can I force him to make a bad move without giving him the opportunity to make excellent double purpose moves?

I'm guessing this has a lot to do with order of play.

Or maybe it's more of forcing him to defend his territory?

Idk over concentration is still very abstract to me.
More abstract then Inducing moves.

I can see basic inducing moves. But right now i'm having trouble thinking of a plan to over concentrate someone.

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Post #64 Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:29 am 
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Lose 4 games Win 1 game. in the past 3 days
Demoralizing.
I seem to hit a wall everytime I get to 3kyu

Perspective
Which suggests I'm just not thinking about the game correctly.

With still so much room to grow it's gotta be a mindset thing.

There has to be some manuever or tactic that I don't know. And I don't know that I don't know it.

My last big leap in rank came from a changed perspective and I'm convinced that another jump is an idea away.

How do you give yourself an idea you don't know exists.

The common suggestion is deepen your reading. But maybe I'm not reading the right things.

rambles and rambles.

The list of ways to improve grows. But executing these plans is still mystifying.

How to Read

It's easy for me to think I play here he plays here then I'll play here.

My thought starts with.

1. I play this move what can I do if black plays elsewhere.

Maybe I should think in the other order.

1. If I pass where will black play.
2. Can I pass on that next move?
3. How big of a follow up do I need to pass on that move?

Ah or maybe I should think

1. What are all the moves I want to make?
2. How can I make these moves in such an order that they avalanche/induce into the other moves I want to make?

And add somewhere

3. What are all the moves my opponent could make that I would respond to?


Something for me to think about.

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Post #65 Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 4:40 pm 
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Bought Xcom which is why I stopped playing for about a week.

But halithorn is back and I need to be at tip top shape!

I ended up playing a game that looks sort of like my malkovitch game.
It's making my reaction to his invasion look like a big mistake....

Ah well.

Looking at Ed's thread I realized i haven't actually made a goal.

But 3 months later and I'm still 4kyu (technically 3kyu but the rank isn't solid yet)

I looked over the game lovelove reviewed since it was the first one there and I see a lot of my own moves I don't agree with. Which is good! because it means i'm changing my perspective. I might have changed to worse opinions but at least it means my Go isn't set in stone. I'm still flexible.

Here I will make a proclamation for 1 Dan (Only 30 points away).
I started flipping through some opening problems. They make a bit more sense. The answers aren't way too hard to understand.
The idea of 3rd and 4th line stones makes a bit more sense.

Now i'm just rambling.

edit: !
I figured out yet another way I can improve!

A bad habit has been identified.
I never push groups in to my weak groups.
That's common sense to me.
If you have two sides to push your opponent you push by strengthening your weaker group.
This is right a lot of the time, but sometimes you need to push your opponent into your weak group and his move will
"Induce you to strengthen your own group.

or whatever.
But yeah I need to figure out when it's okay to push into your weakness and when it's not.


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Post #66 Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:31 pm 
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Slightly off-topic, what did you think of the Xcom game?

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Post #67 Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:53 pm 
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It was great.
It has Final Fantasy Tactics style combat.
An interesting base management system.
Great pacing. I didn't have time to think "Aw this is all i get..." because something new would keep coming and it would keep itself interesting.


It is also perfect at making you feel completely hopeless and overwhelmed by all the things you need to do but you have limited time to do it.
(Which you should enjoy because you're on a go forum.)
Also when your soldiers die, they die for good. Which really adds to the whole hopeless feeling.
Like all your decisions matter and making the wrong decision can put you far behind.

Also there's a point in the game where you have this great victory and it feels like all the pressure is off. But then it just starts getting hammered down on you again.

Seriously great game. I loved it. And it's a game about aliens!! How cool is that.

There's a lot more I could just rave about but I don't want to spoil too much haha.

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Post #68 Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:54 am 
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Have you played the original, and how did it stack up in comparison?

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Post #69 Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 11:40 am 
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Naw, I didn't. I wouldn't be able to compare the too. But i still highly recommend this game.

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Hey I didn't play for an entire month so you might not have to worry about too much! But speaking of getting back in tip-top shape.... :study: :lol:

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Post #71 Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 12:12 pm 
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Didn't play for an entire month, or spent a month reading out the whole game from move 11. Hmmmmmmm.

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Didn't play for an entire month, or spent a month reading out the whole game from move 11. Hmmmmmmm.


Oh yes, I spent an entire month poring over the importance of Move 11. It even haunted my dreams. :grumpy:

Honestly though, I didn't even realize it had already been a month. Pretty shocking. Longest I've gone without playing at least a single game since 2010.

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Post #73 Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 12:25 pm 
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Hahaha.

Well that's good you took a little break.

You weren't feeling like playing, or was it that school became too overwhelming?

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Hahaha.

Well that's good you took a little break.

You weren't feeling like playing, or was it that school became too overwhelming?


Well, there was a lot going on. But I guess I just didn't realize how fast time was going by.

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Post #75 Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 12:43 pm 
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Oh i hear that for sure. It's scary how fast time moves before you even notice it.

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Post #76 Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 2:27 pm 
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Sabaki. Like lots of Japanese terms, I like how it sounds, but I still haven't figured out what it means.


I think you are one of a multitude, and I pin the blame on the word 'light', which has spread obscurity. Western players seem to have latched onto the idea of sabaki meaning a 'making a light shape' but that is a red herring.

Otake Hideo says this (after saying sabaki is the prime skill for playing fast go):

Sabaki is written in characters as 捌き. It is the noun form of sabaku but, being a technical term, in recent times it has usually been written in katakana.

The verb sabaku means basically 'to settle something skilfully' or 'to resolve something that is in disorder'. In go, too, therefore, the interpretation is similarly 'to handle groups skilfully when they are in a close fight'.


A Japanese dictionary of technical terms in go also says (of the noun sabaki): Handling groups skilfully so that they do not stagnate.

Note that there is no direct reference in these definitions to 'light' or 'sacrifice'. In fact, not everyone in Japan agrees that sabaki is a techncial term anyway, simply because the basic idea is obvious from the everyday vernacular.

But most go players do sense a technical aspect to the word, so the question is: what are they sensing?

The first step is to recognise when you are in a situation where one of your groups is in danger: and either it is in the thick of things, or it is stranded somewhere and about to be gobbled up. The second step is to decide whether to do something about it. That is, to decide to 'cope' (my recommendation for the word that should first come to mind in English). Since you are, by definition, in a position of some discomfiture, you can easily reason that this coping needs a modicum of skill. The third step is then to implement your coping tactic or strategy (to achieve/make sabaki as western go players often say) by using tactics. These are usually standard techniques. This last stage is where the technical aspects appear.

Otake gives a first syllabus ('not comprehensive', he says) for mastering sabaki techniques. In order, he suggests mastering:

- atenobi (i.e. in a crosscut, atari then extend away)
- the right direction when there are multiple ataris
- two-step hanes
- ladders (creating and dodging)
- settling shapes (including sacrificial cuts)
- the hazama jump
- crawling thrice on the third line (instead of twice)
- squeeze plays

He also stresses having a specific goal in mind when choosing and applying techniques. Examples include:

- miai
- dodging trick plays
- taking josekis down paths the opponent doesn't want
- trapping the opponent
- avoiding being sealed in
- making a light group

What is to be noted in this list is that 'light' and 'sacrifice' play very minor roles, and note also the absence of 'contact plays'. Many weaker players think that making sabaki starts with a contact play. In fact the contact play may be the very play that causes problems in the first place. There is also no specific reference to the centre or to running away - sabaki can be achieved on the edge or in the corner, and it can be expressed by living or repairing a defect there.

There is more that can be said about the technical aspects - for example, in the situation where you need to cope, there is often more than one itch to scratch, and in this case, since time is of the essence, you may need to compromise a little and play lightly to keep sente. Also, more applications can be added, e.g. shinogi. But studying the basic techniques so that you can implement the three steps above will not only give you a reliable foundation to solving difficulties on the go board, it will also (Otake claims) help you do especially well in fast games.


oh my so much. where do I get started.

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Post #77 Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 8:32 pm 
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Haven't posted a game in awhile.
Here is one I lost. Since I should be posting these more often then the ones I win.
But alas my ego.



I hate when the losing move is this easy to find.

I counted and if I had just played my alternate move I think the game would have been comfortable.

Following is a lot of desperation.

I felt so crushed seeing how easily my stones were separated.



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Post #78 Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:38 pm 
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The difference between a thank you move and an inducing move ._.?

In other news I feel more confident in my Opening Play.

I'm not excellent when there are many scattered complicated stones.

But I have a good feel for 3rd and 4th line. Which sides are pretty big.

Watched my 3 year old cousin's soccer game. When you're 3 you have 0 understanding of the basics. They didn't know how to shoot, pass, nor even how to dribble. There was just a mob of 12 kids kicking a ball then hoping they'd be the first one to get to the ball so they could kick it again. No idea that they were controlling the direction the ball was moving.

Sometimes that's how I feel my games look like.

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Post #79 Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:04 pm 
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How many times do I knowingly take gote moves?
How many times do I consider moves other then the hane?
How many times do I consider the clamp?

not very often for all 3
maybe I should do these more.

Also read a thing about playing lightly.
How do I tell the difference between playing lightly and giving up too much?

I suppose I'm supposed to play light moves when I'm near strength or thickness. In an attempt to create over concentration and poisoned pawns.

Playing lightly when both B and W have weak groups leads to my opponent having a strong group for no cost. Whereas I would give up too much.

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I suppose I'm supposed to play light moves when I'm near strength or thickness. In an attempt to create over concentration and poisoned pawns.


I think there's a distinction to be made here, in that light moves should be played when one expects to be attacked. Often this coincides with thickness, but not always. Of course, I could also be wrong :)

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