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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #101 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:10 am 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #85 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . W . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #86 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . W . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X 7 . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . 4 X 6 8 . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . 2 3 9 . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 5 O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Harleqin
 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #102 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:25 am 
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I have no idea why Black did not hane here; it separates White:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . 1 . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #103 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:56 am 
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Harleqin wrote:
I have no idea why Black did not hane here; it separates White:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . 1 . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would expect the following continuation:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . 5 9 . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 3 4 . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X 8 . B 1 2 . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 7 O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This doesn't look good for black!
If :b6: at :w9: then white can capture the :bc: stone! I'm not sure if that is any better for black!
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Offline Laman
 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #104 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:10 am 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #86 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

hmmm, not many moves ago i believed i can win quite easily and now i have been almost ready to resign. after long thinking it seems that by this move i can connect to the right or eat two white stones K5-K6 to live on my own. i might have to give up my four stones around N8, but cant be helped
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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . W . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . X 9 X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O 1 3 5 7 X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O B 2 4 6 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O 0 X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Harleqin
 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #105 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:37 am 
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Zwergesel wrote:
Harleqin wrote:
I have no idea why Black did not hane here; it separates White:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . 1 . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would expect the following continuation:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . 5 9 . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 3 4 . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X 8 . B 1 2 . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 7 O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This doesn't look good for black!
If :b6: at :w9: then white can capture the :bc: stone! I'm not sure if that is any better for black!


My idea was rather to force a connection like this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . C O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . b . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . 9 0 . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 4 7 8 . a . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . B 1 5 6 O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 O X X X O . C . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 3 O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to admit, though, that the separation on the left side is only of temporary nature then.

I just thought that there has to be a better way than to run into White's central stones. I am not sure whether this is realistic, or even whether it is better than the game.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #106 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:45 am 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #87 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . W . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #107 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:00 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #88 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . B . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i cant see any other thinkable move. i have counted score, will post it with the next move

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 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #108 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:19 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #89 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . W O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Laman
 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #109 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:43 pm 
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this may take me some time...
ok, i wont wait with the score analysis... (i dont count very precisely, so the scores may not be 100% accurate)
white: top right 10 points, lower right 15 points, lower left maybe another 15 points, center and top still open, that makes 40
black: left and left top maybe 45, other areas no more than 10, together about 55
that means that white have to make only 15 points more than me in the center and considering that only around J9 and my two almost captured stones it is around 15 points, the game is almost lost for me.
however, i am still going to continue, first because the center is not settled and my estimations might prove wrong and second because i hate resigning before 100th move (i feel like i wasnt an even oponent if i couldnt survive at least 100 moves :))

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Offline Harleqin
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Post #110 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:18 pm 
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One of the most important things to have for a game of Go is stamina. I mention this because there seem to be some people here who consider resigning as soon as the game is even.

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Post #111 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:44 pm 
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Harleqin wrote:
Zwergesel wrote:
Harleqin wrote:
I have no idea why Black did not hane here; it separates White:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . 1 . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would expect the following continuation:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . 5 9 . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 3 4 . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X 8 . B 1 2 . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 7 O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This doesn't look good for black!
If :b6: at :w9: then white can capture the :bc: stone! I'm not sure if that is any better for black!


My idea was rather to force a connection like this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . C O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . b . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . 9 0 . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 4 7 8 . a . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . B 1 5 6 O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 O X X X O . C . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 3 O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to admit, though, that the separation on the left side is only of temporary nature then.

I just thought that there has to be a better way than to run into White's central stones. I am not sure whether this is realistic, or even whether it is better than the game.


I agree with Harleqin. Thumbs down for not making the hane.

Some players are afraid of getting their stones cut. But in the process of merely running and connecting, the opponent marches in as one strong connected group. I see this feature in some of Kirby's games as well.

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Post #112 Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:53 am 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #90 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

reducing white's center, possibly expanding my own territory, possibly (but not very likely) threatening to connect with my stones below

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Post #113 Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:49 am 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #91 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #114 Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:37 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #92 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #115 Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:50 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #92 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O W . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #116 Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:04 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #94 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X B O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #117 Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:10 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #94 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X W . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
he is keep forceing me to back off.
i will give him everything he want and take something bigger.
if i fight to keep 2 stones then that is all i will get..but if i let it go...i will get much more rewards.

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Post #118 Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:31 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #96 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O O B . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i dont understand to purpose of the white's last move, i am going to break through and later i will try something from the right side, if it looks still playable
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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 5 . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O 4 . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O O 1 . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 2 X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #119 Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:38 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #96 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O O X . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #98 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O O X . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . B X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

oh, so he lets me connect. will i lose anyway? probably. still i want to see

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