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John Fairbairn wrote:
Sabaki. Like lots of Japanese terms, I like how it sounds, but I still haven't figured out what it means.


I think you are one of a multitude, and I pin the blame on the word 'light', which has spread obscurity. Western players seem to have latched onto the idea of sabaki meaning a 'making a light shape' but that is a red herring.

Otake Hideo says this (after saying sabaki is the prime skill for playing fast go):

Sabaki is written in characters as 捌き. It is the noun form of sabaku but, being a technical term, in recent times it has usually been written in katakana.

The verb sabaku means basically 'to settle something skilfully' or 'to resolve something that is in disorder'. In go, too, therefore, the interpretation is similarly 'to handle groups skilfully when they are in a close fight'.


A Japanese dictionary of technical terms in go also says (of the noun sabaki): Handling groups skilfully so that they do not stagnate.

Note that there is no direct reference in these definitions to 'light' or 'sacrifice'. In fact, not everyone in Japan agrees that sabaki is a techncial term anyway, simply because the basic idea is obvious from the everyday vernacular.

But most go players do sense a technical aspect to the word, so the question is: what are they sensing?

The first step is to recognise when you are in a situation where one of your groups is in danger: and either it is in the thick of things, or it is stranded somewhere and about to be gobbled up. The second step is to decide whether to do something about it. That is, to decide to 'cope' (my recommendation for the word that should first come to mind in English). Since you are, by definition, in a position of some discomfiture, you can easily reason that this coping needs a modicum of skill. The third step is then to implement your coping tactic or strategy (to achieve/make sabaki as western go players often say) by using tactics. These are usually standard techniques. This last stage is where the technical aspects appear.

Otake gives a first syllabus ('not comprehensive', he says) for mastering sabaki techniques. In order, he suggests mastering:

- atenobi (i.e. in a crosscut, atari then extend away)
- the right direction when there are multiple ataris
- two-step hanes
- ladders (creating and dodging)
- settling shapes (including sacrificial cuts)
- the hazama jump
- crawling thrice on the third line (instead of twice)
- squeeze plays

He also stresses having a specific goal in mind when choosing and applying techniques. Examples include:

- miai
- dodging trick plays
- taking josekis down paths the opponent doesn't want
- trapping the opponent
- avoiding being sealed in
- making a light group

What is to be noted in this list is that 'light' and 'sacrifice' play very minor roles, and note also the absence of 'contact plays'. Many weaker players think that making sabaki starts with a contact play. In fact the contact play may be the very play that causes problems in the first place. There is also no specific reference to the centre or to running away - sabaki can be achieved on the edge or in the corner, and it can be expressed by living or repairing a defect there.

There is more that can be said about the technical aspects - for example, in the situation where you need to cope, there is often more than one itch to scratch, and in this case, since time is of the essence, you may need to compromise a little and play lightly to keep sente. Also, more applications can be added, e.g. shinogi. But studying the basic techniques so that you can implement the three steps above will not only give you a reliable foundation to solving difficulties on the go board, it will also (Otake claims) help you do especially well in fast games.


oh my so much. where do I get started.
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Haven't posted a game in awhile.
Here is one I lost. Since I should be posting these more often then the ones I win.
But alas my ego.



I hate when the losing move is this easy to find.

I counted and if I had just played my alternate move I think the game would have been comfortable.

Following is a lot of desperation.

I felt so crushed seeing how easily my stones were separated.



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The difference between a thank you move and an inducing move ._.?

In other news I feel more confident in my Opening Play.

I'm not excellent when there are many scattered complicated stones.

But I have a good feel for 3rd and 4th line. Which sides are pretty big.

Watched my 3 year old cousin's soccer game. When you're 3 you have 0 understanding of the basics. They didn't know how to shoot, pass, nor even how to dribble. There was just a mob of 12 kids kicking a ball then hoping they'd be the first one to get to the ball so they could kick it again. No idea that they were controlling the direction the ball was moving.

Sometimes that's how I feel my games look like.
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How many times do I knowingly take gote moves?
How many times do I consider moves other then the hane?
How many times do I consider the clamp?

not very often for all 3
maybe I should do these more.

Also read a thing about playing lightly.
How do I tell the difference between playing lightly and giving up too much?

I suppose I'm supposed to play light moves when I'm near strength or thickness. In an attempt to create over concentration and poisoned pawns.

Playing lightly when both B and W have weak groups leads to my opponent having a strong group for no cost. Whereas I would give up too much.
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Unusedname wrote:I suppose I'm supposed to play light moves when I'm near strength or thickness. In an attempt to create over concentration and poisoned pawns.


I think there's a distinction to be made here, in that light moves should be played when one expects to be attacked. Often this coincides with thickness, but not always. Of course, I could also be wrong :)
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I think that makes sense.

If you're near weak groups you can play thick so you can counter attack.

but if you are near thicknesses being thick doesn't help you because there is nothing to fight.
and you can't expect to save anything in good style.

I think this could add a dimension to my game.

I don't know that I've ever anticipated an attack and not tried to defend myself.
But maybe now I can anticipate an attack and think of my options if I don't defend myself.
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Certainly another part of it is that you can sacrifice some of the light group to save the rest without giving your opponent an advantage greater than his original strength, while a heavy group is one you can't afford to let go.

It's a complicated and nuanced classification though, to be sure, and one I am sure I don't understand completely.

Regarding anticipating an attack, you definitely have to evaluate the expected attack vs. the gain of your tenuki, which can be difficult. It sort of leads into the subject of exchanges as well.
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Hmmm I don't know how but I'll try to figure out how to get into those situations so I can understand it better.

That's one of the frustrating things about this game. You can try to learn something but it's hard to force an issue to come up so that you can practice.
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When I was learning to play I played against bots exclusively.

There was a program that used to suggest moves for you and I would just play that way for abit.

Later I started abusing undo move a lot when I'd get a result that was no good.


Anyways it seemed like an okay way to learn to play.
But now I'm thinking of trying it with one of those low dan programs.

One of the benefits of playing against a computer is you can go back 5 or 6 moves to find out what the right direction would have been.

Also they say you should invade a moyo one move before it becomes solid territory.

A computer doesn't mind going back 12 moves and replaying a situation.

Of course there is the danger of developing bad habits.
But if I develop the bad habit of playing like a 6 dan bot I don't mind.

Just another thought I had for improving.
Of course I haven't had much time to act on these.
But now that classes are finally over I'm sure I'll start one of my many study ideas.
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And stuff



The net breaker was very fascinating for me.

The kosumi thing I had seen before but I noticed it again in a kifu.

The pincer thing is something I hadn't thought of really.
Until I heard the double approach reffered to as a pinch.
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not as much time as i thought i would have this week.

not really applying new concepts.

Still just looking for simple moves and playing what feels right.

I suppose i'm a really intuitive player.

And also a lucky one.

but yeah here's a game hopefully i play a lot more.
Hopefully i get more involved in this l19 league
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Semestre grades came in. 3.325!

My hard class was a B+
I was going to be pissed if it was a B because I fought hard for an A.
But i think the B+ will be good enough.

Dropped the ball on an easier class... only got a C... but hey that's what happpens.

still super stoked, this is my highest gpa yet.

Not go related. But maybe the morale will boost me. :]
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Unusedname wrote:Semestre grades came in. 3.325!
Almost summer? :)
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Yes! it's actually the first week of summer break right now. :]

Time to relax and play beer games. (And get a summer job)
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Made time for a game
he left but I think i was losing.

I think I started to lose because I attacked too much.
I saw a lot of spots where I could back off and protect myself but instead I got greedy.


I had a chance to play my new shape but that was no good. I was too weak to keep black separated.
Comments would be greatly appreciated.
If my corrections are completely off base or if I'm on the right track.

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