magicwand versus drmwc

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue May 21, 2013 3:06 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm185 B has captured 7; W has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O 6 . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X 3 O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . 1 O 4 C O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X 2 X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O 5 . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Tue May 21, 2013 4:37 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm185 B has captured 7; W has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . 7 . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O 6 . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X 3 O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . 1 O 4 C O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X 2 X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O 5 . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Tue May 21, 2013 4:50 am

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drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Tue May 21, 2013 4:55 am

Uberdude wrote:@drmwc
drmwc wrote:However, W is not relatively tick in the centre. This means that a W move at 91 is more than just territorial - it could develop an attack against my komuku stone.

= W is now relatively thick. But komoku? you only just played your first 3-4. Do you mean mokuhahahasizhisi or whatever 5-3 is called.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue May 21, 2013 11:48 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm185 B has captured 7; W has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . 7 . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O 6 . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X 3 O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . 1 O 4 C O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X 2 X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O 5 . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . 8 . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

jts · Post by **jts** » Tue May 21, 2013 5:00 pm

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Very exciting game so far. I would love to hear your count of the board - or if you aren't going to count, your intuition about balance of territory/ balance of power.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue May 21, 2013 9:13 pm

jts wrote:@magicwand

Very exciting game so far. I would love to hear your count of the board - or if you aren't going to count, your intuition about balance of territory/ balance of power.

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:59 pm

92 is a good move. I did not expect it. I have two choices in reply:

The first option is the most natural reply. If I do this, MW has two options.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc choice 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . . 4 . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O X 2 . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . 5 . 1 O . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X 3 . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He can play on the side. If he does this, 3 is exceedingly big. Then 5 conects my only remaining weak stone to the corner.

I think this OK for B - W needs a spectactuarly good invasion at the top to get back into the game.

MW can also play into the corner:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc choice 1, W variant $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X b X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . 9 a . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O X 3 8 0 . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . 1 O . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . 7 . X 2 . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . 5 4 6 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

7 above is the easisest move for me. Following this, a is very big but not actually sente for me. b is close to being my sente, but not quite sente yet. It threatens to take some points on the bottom, and weakens W's RHS group which has all sorts of strategic benefits.

I think I still have the lead, but the diagram above feels a bit flabby for B, so I don't really like it. So I may try a variation with 7:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc choice 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O X 3 0 . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . 1 O 7 . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . 9 . X 2 . 8 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . 5 4 6 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm9 continued $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X b X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . 3 5 . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O X X 2 4 . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . X O X 6 . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . 1 . X O . O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . X O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is a slight improvement for me over the previous diagram, since I get to play 13 in sente. Next I'll probably play at b since keeping W weak helps to proetect the upper side. the 13-14 exchange helps in weakening W.

My second option is as below:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc choice 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . . 4 . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . b O X 2 . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X 0 7 8 3 O . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . a 6 9 X 1 5 . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Following B 1 above, it may revert to the first diagram shown if MW extends with 2 and I elect to soldily connect after this. I've shown a variant to the very first diagram where I take the corner with move 5, because it's very big. Following 10, I can play a or b. (I haven't decided which is best). The move at a requires careful counting of ko threats, but it the better move if it works!

W can of course avoid all this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc choice 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X a . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X 7 X . . . 8 . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O b . 6 . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O X 4 . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . 5 3 2 O . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X 1 . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Above, I give up a ponnuki to take the side an corner. 7 is solid - I may be able to play more vigourous move. Then 8 is very big. W would like to invade the top witht his move, but if I get to play at a I take W's territoy, and potentially get an attack both sides (note the cut at b).

I may also be able to play 5 at 6.

SO it's a complex position, and I don't yet know which move I lie the best.

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Fri May 24, 2013 6:07 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm185 B has captured 7; W has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . 7 . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O 6 . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X 3 O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . 1 O 4 C O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X 2 X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O 5 . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . 8 . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X 9 . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Write up to follow - the computer ate what I had drafted. :mad:

The Intrepid · Post by **The Intrepid** » Fri May 24, 2013 7:56 am

Was it a "time out" error on the server? If so, resubmitting the message a second time gets it posted (you might have to click on the "go back to the previous page" button in your browser first, but I don't remember right now if this is necessary or not).

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Fri May 24, 2013 8:16 am

Saying "the computer ate my post" was an error.

It was my clumsiness. I accidentally quit the Firefox page my reply was on, and it didn't who up in history.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Fri May 24, 2013 12:12 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm191 B has captured 7; W has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . 4 2 . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X 3 . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Tooveli · Post by **Tooveli** » Fri May 24, 2013 2:00 pm

Using whatever the shortcut is for your browser/os to open a new tab with a 'shift' key thrown in is often the keyboard shortcut for reopening a previously (mistakenly) closed tab. (ctrl-shift-t for windows I think).

It may not have helped in this case but I thought I'd throw it out there as it's useful and not many people seem to know it.

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Tue May 28, 2013 2:10 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm191 B has captured 7; W has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . 5 4 2 . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X 3 . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is forced after MW's previous move. It's unclear me what W' best continuation is -

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . b . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O X e . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . a X O O d . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X X c . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Any of a-e are possible, and I think I can handle all of them. The decision for me is if to extend at a in answer to e; or pull my stone out at b.

I eventually rejected th other line because:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B rejected $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O X 3 . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . 1 O 7 . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . 8 X 2 . 0 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . 9 5 4 6 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bm11 rejected continutation $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . 7 . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . 9 . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . 8 3 5 . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . O X X 2 4 . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . 0 1 X O X 6 . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . X X O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If white interjects the cut at 8 above, it leaves some annoying aji behind in my position. Obviously, 19 above is a mistake and I should give up the 2 stones (13 and 15) but it feels like I'm throwing away points.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue May 28, 2013 4:18 am

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Re: magicwand versus drmwc

Re: magicwand versus drmwc

Re: magicwand versus drmwc

Re: magicwand versus drmwc

Re: magicwand versus drmwc

Re: magicwand versus drmwc

Re: magicwand versus drmwc