Creating the best USD500 go book library
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Creating the best USD500 go book library
If you could spend just USD500 excluding shipping and other charges, what would be the best go book library you could create if you could spend it on books of any language (primarily for an English audience)?
I'm basically wondering what would be the most essential books you would want to buy if you could only spend USD500 and you currently do not have a library.
You can assume you have a PC with a DVD drive so you can buy legal soft copies, but don't assume things like SmartGo Books for iPad unless you plan to spend part of the USD500 budget buying an iPad, etc.
Please restrict yourself to books which are in print and do not offer free resources which do not deduct from your budget of USD500.
Please use the publisher prices and don't tell me you are buying 50,000 used go books for a penny each from Amazon marketplace.
This is basically an exercise to see what is the best library we can come up with, with a limited budget and limited resources.
For simplicity, let's assume the conversion rates as follow (if you can think of any other countries which produces go books and need to include a currency exchange rate here, let me know):
1 USD = 6 RMB = 100 JPY = 1150 KRW = 30 NTD = 0.75 EUR = 33 RUB
RMB > China
JPY > Japan
KRW > Korea
NTD > Taiwan
EUR > Europe
RUB > Russia
I'm basically wondering what would be the most essential books you would want to buy if you could only spend USD500 and you currently do not have a library.
You can assume you have a PC with a DVD drive so you can buy legal soft copies, but don't assume things like SmartGo Books for iPad unless you plan to spend part of the USD500 budget buying an iPad, etc.
Please restrict yourself to books which are in print and do not offer free resources which do not deduct from your budget of USD500.
Please use the publisher prices and don't tell me you are buying 50,000 used go books for a penny each from Amazon marketplace.
This is basically an exercise to see what is the best library we can come up with, with a limited budget and limited resources.
For simplicity, let's assume the conversion rates as follow (if you can think of any other countries which produces go books and need to include a currency exchange rate here, let me know):
1 USD = 6 RMB = 100 JPY = 1150 KRW = 30 NTD = 0.75 EUR = 33 RUB
RMB > China
JPY > Japan
KRW > Korea
NTD > Taiwan
EUR > Europe
RUB > Russia
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Re: Creating the best USD500 go book library
Lessons in the fundamentals: $18 (go game guru). /$18
Elementary to series: $104 (go game guru) /$122
Improve your intuition volumes 1-3: $15 (slate and shell) /$137
Invincible: $50 (go game guru) /$187
Igo hatsuyoron: $25 (yellow mountain imports). /$213
Xuanxuan Qijang: $20 (yellow mountain imports) /$233
Grades go problems for beginners volumes 1-4: $84 (kisedo) /$317
The direction of play: $18 (kisedo) /$335
Graded go problems for dans volumes 1-6: $150 (kisedo) /$485
So that is $485.. Hopefully you get no tax .-.
Elementary to series: $104 (go game guru) /$122
Improve your intuition volumes 1-3: $15 (slate and shell) /$137
Invincible: $50 (go game guru) /$187
Igo hatsuyoron: $25 (yellow mountain imports). /$213
Xuanxuan Qijang: $20 (yellow mountain imports) /$233
Grades go problems for beginners volumes 1-4: $84 (kisedo) /$317
The direction of play: $18 (kisedo) /$335
Graded go problems for dans volumes 1-6: $150 (kisedo) /$485
So that is $485.. Hopefully you get no tax .-.
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Re: Creating the best USD500 go book library
I'm just going to stick with English books, because if this really is "an exercise to see what is the best library we can come up with a limited budget and limited resources," then shipping charges on import books is a serious consideration (i.e. for a person 500$ on all imported Asian language books compared to 500$ on all English books are two entirely different price ranges).
Also, I'm making this list just for fun...so it does not represent any sort of definitive stance on my part.
All About Life and Death - A Basic Dictionary of Life and Death Vols. 1 & 2
Books I couldn't get to fit:
7$ - Masterpieces of Handicap Go Vol. 1
42$ - Train Like a Pro complete set
Also, I'm making this list just for fun...so it does not represent any sort of definitive stance on my part.
- 16.50$ - 200 Endgame Problems
- 21$ - Get Strong at Go Series Vol. 6: Get Strong at Tesuji
- 21$ - Get Strong at Go Series Vol. 7: Get Strong at the Endgame
- 21$ - Get Strong at Go Series Vol. 8: Get Strong at Life and Death
- 25$ - Graded Go Problems for Dan Players Vol. 1: 300 Life-and-Death Problems 5-kyu to 3-dan
- 25$ - Graded Go Problems for Dan Players Vol. 2: 300 Tesuji Problems 5-kyu to 3-dan
- 25$ - Graded Go Problems for Dan Players Vol. 4: 300 Life-and-Death Problems 4-dan to 7-dan
- 25$ - Graded Go Problems for Dan Players Vol. 5: 300 Tesuji Problems 4-dan to 7-dan
- 25$ - Graded Go Problems for Dan Players Vol. 6: 256 Opening and Middle Game Problems 1-dan to 7-dan
- 50$ - Invincible - The Games of Shusaku
- 13$ - Level Up! Essential Life and Death Vol. 2
- 13$ - Level Up! Essential Life and Death Vol. 3
- 13$ - Level Up! Essential Life and Death Vol. 4
- 25$ - Mastering the Basics Vol. 1: Five Hundred and One Opening Problems
- 25$ - Mastering the Basics Vol. 2: One Thousand and One Life-and-Death Problems
- 25$ - Mastering the Basics Vol. 3: Making Good Shape
- 25$ - Mastering the Basics Vol. 4: Five Hundred and One Tesuji Problems
- 7.50$ - Masterpieces of Handicap Go Vol. 2
- 17$ - The Art of Go Series Vol. 2 - Capturing Stones & Sacrifice Techniques
- 22$ - The Best Game Records of 2009
- 10$ - The Games of Honinbo Shuei Vol. 2
- 10$ - The Games of Honinbo Shuei Vol. 3
- 10$ - The Games of Honinbo Shuei Vol. 4
- 30$ - Tournament Go 1992
- Total: 500$
All About Life and Death - A Basic Dictionary of Life and Death Vols. 1 & 2
Books I couldn't get to fit:
7$ - Masterpieces of Handicap Go Vol. 1
42$ - Train Like a Pro complete set
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Re: Creating the best USD500 go book library
I'm going to assume this would be for a go club library or something like that, so I'm going to select a wide variety of books that should appeal to many levels of players.
Beginner's Books - Because you need something for new players to enjoy
- Go: A Complete Introduction to the Game ($15)
- The Second Book of Go ($18)
Elementary Go Series - Starting point for newer players, problems and reference books for older players
- In The Beginning ($18)
- 38 Basic Josekis ($18)
- Tesuji ($18)
- Life and Death ($18)
- Attack and Defense ($18)
- Endgame ($18)
Go Technique - Always good to brush up on
- Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go ($18)
- The Direction of Play ($18)
- Mastering the Basics Vol. 3 - Making Good Shape ($25)
- Get Strong at Invading ($21)
- Get Strong at Handicap Go ($21)
- Winning Go: Successful Moves from the Opening to the Endgame ($14)
- Dictionary of Basic Fuseki - Volume 1 ($18)
- How Not to Play Go ($8)
Problem Books - What go library would be complete without them?
Mastering the Basics Series
- Volume One: 501 Opening Problems ($25)
- Volume Two: 1001 Life-and-Death Problems ($25)
- Volume Four: 501 Tesuji Problems ($25)
Graded Go Problems for Dan Players
- Volume Three: 300 Joseki Problems ($25)
- Volume Seven: 256 Opening and Middle Game Problems ($25)
Other problem books
- Life and Death: Intermediate Level Problems ($8)
- Liping Huang's Problem Book ($5)
Game Reviews - Definitely worth looking at
- Invincible: The Games of Shusaku ($50)
- Come Up to Shodan ($5)
- Modern Masters: Redmond on Pro Games ($8)
Fiction - Because sometimes you need a break from studying
- The Master of Go ($5)
Total library cost: $500
Beginner's Books - Because you need something for new players to enjoy
- Go: A Complete Introduction to the Game ($15)
- The Second Book of Go ($18)
Elementary Go Series - Starting point for newer players, problems and reference books for older players
- In The Beginning ($18)
- 38 Basic Josekis ($18)
- Tesuji ($18)
- Life and Death ($18)
- Attack and Defense ($18)
- Endgame ($18)
Go Technique - Always good to brush up on
- Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go ($18)
- The Direction of Play ($18)
- Mastering the Basics Vol. 3 - Making Good Shape ($25)
- Get Strong at Invading ($21)
- Get Strong at Handicap Go ($21)
- Winning Go: Successful Moves from the Opening to the Endgame ($14)
- Dictionary of Basic Fuseki - Volume 1 ($18)
- How Not to Play Go ($8)
Problem Books - What go library would be complete without them?
Mastering the Basics Series
- Volume One: 501 Opening Problems ($25)
- Volume Two: 1001 Life-and-Death Problems ($25)
- Volume Four: 501 Tesuji Problems ($25)
Graded Go Problems for Dan Players
- Volume Three: 300 Joseki Problems ($25)
- Volume Seven: 256 Opening and Middle Game Problems ($25)
Other problem books
- Life and Death: Intermediate Level Problems ($8)
- Liping Huang's Problem Book ($5)
Game Reviews - Definitely worth looking at
- Invincible: The Games of Shusaku ($50)
- Come Up to Shodan ($5)
- Modern Masters: Redmond on Pro Games ($8)
Fiction - Because sometimes you need a break from studying
- The Master of Go ($5)
Total library cost: $500
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Re: Creating the best USD500 go book library
Here is my list:
Go: More than a Game Revised Edition [Kindle] USD10.59
Opening Theory Made Easy USD18
Elementary Go Series: Tesuji USD18
Elementary Go Series: Life and Death USD18
Elementary Go Series: Attack and Defense USD18
Elementary Go Series: Endgame USD18
First Fundamentals (pdf) USD16.67 (EUR12.5)
21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki, Volume 1 USD55
21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki, Volume 2 USD55
Fundamental Principles of Go USD25
Dictionary of Basic Tesuji, vol. 1 USD25
Dictionary of Basic Tesuji, vol. 2 USD25
Dictionary of Basic Tesuji, vol. 3 USD25
Dictionary of Basic Tesuji, vol. 4 USD25
Weiqi Life and Death Big Complete Encyclopedia (Revised Edition) 围棋死活大全(修订本) USD7 (RMB42)
Weiqi Fuseki Big Complete Encyclopedia 围棋布局大全 USD8 (RMB48)
Weiqi Endgame Big Complete Encyclopedia 围棋官子大全 USD8 (RMB48)
New Edition Weiqi Common Shape Tactics Big Complete Encyclopedia (v1-2) 新编围棋常型技巧大全(上下) USD13.17 (RMB79)
[A nice book showing lots of invasions and reductions]
Weiqi Life and Death 1000 Problems 围棋死活1000题 USD5 (RMB30)
Weiqi Fuseki Practice (Beginner Level) 围棋布局习题册(初级) USD2.5 (RMB15)
Weiqi Fuseki Practice (Intermediate and Advanced Levels) 围棋布局习题册(中级高级) USD2.5 (RMB15)
Weiqi Kyu and Dan Level Test (Beginner Level 1000 problems) 围棋级。段位测试 (初级测试1000题) USD3.5 (RMB21)
Weiqi Dan Level Test (Intermediate Level for 1-4D) 围棋段位测试(中级测试业余1-4段) USD3.34 (RMB20)
Modern Masters: Redmond on Pro Games USD7.5
The Games of Honinbo Shuei, Volume 1 [Kindle Edition] USD11.99
The Games of Honinbo Shuei, Volume 2 [Kindle Edition] USD11.99
The Games of Honinbo Shuei, Volume 3 [Kindle Edition] USD11.99
The Games of Honinbo Shuei, Volume 4 [Kindle Edition] USD11.99
New Haegma Dictionary 행마 新 사전 USD13.05 (KRW15000)
Top 1% v1-3 + Answer Book 최상위 1% 1-3 + 해답편 USD23.92 (KRW27500)
TOTAL: USD497.7
Note that the above is based on the publisher recommended prices and not the discounted price at online bookstores.
Shipping and other charges are not included in the above.
Go: More than a Game Revised Edition [Kindle] USD10.59
Opening Theory Made Easy USD18
Elementary Go Series: Tesuji USD18
Elementary Go Series: Life and Death USD18
Elementary Go Series: Attack and Defense USD18
Elementary Go Series: Endgame USD18
First Fundamentals (pdf) USD16.67 (EUR12.5)
21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki, Volume 1 USD55
21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki, Volume 2 USD55
Fundamental Principles of Go USD25
Dictionary of Basic Tesuji, vol. 1 USD25
Dictionary of Basic Tesuji, vol. 2 USD25
Dictionary of Basic Tesuji, vol. 3 USD25
Dictionary of Basic Tesuji, vol. 4 USD25
Weiqi Life and Death Big Complete Encyclopedia (Revised Edition) 围棋死活大全(修订本) USD7 (RMB42)
Weiqi Fuseki Big Complete Encyclopedia 围棋布局大全 USD8 (RMB48)
Weiqi Endgame Big Complete Encyclopedia 围棋官子大全 USD8 (RMB48)
New Edition Weiqi Common Shape Tactics Big Complete Encyclopedia (v1-2) 新编围棋常型技巧大全(上下) USD13.17 (RMB79)
[A nice book showing lots of invasions and reductions]
Weiqi Life and Death 1000 Problems 围棋死活1000题 USD5 (RMB30)
Weiqi Fuseki Practice (Beginner Level) 围棋布局习题册(初级) USD2.5 (RMB15)
Weiqi Fuseki Practice (Intermediate and Advanced Levels) 围棋布局习题册(中级高级) USD2.5 (RMB15)
Weiqi Kyu and Dan Level Test (Beginner Level 1000 problems) 围棋级。段位测试 (初级测试1000题) USD3.5 (RMB21)
Weiqi Dan Level Test (Intermediate Level for 1-4D) 围棋段位测试(中级测试业余1-4段) USD3.34 (RMB20)
Modern Masters: Redmond on Pro Games USD7.5
The Games of Honinbo Shuei, Volume 1 [Kindle Edition] USD11.99
The Games of Honinbo Shuei, Volume 2 [Kindle Edition] USD11.99
The Games of Honinbo Shuei, Volume 3 [Kindle Edition] USD11.99
The Games of Honinbo Shuei, Volume 4 [Kindle Edition] USD11.99
New Haegma Dictionary 행마 新 사전 USD13.05 (KRW15000)
Top 1% v1-3 + Answer Book 최상위 1% 1-3 + 해답편 USD23.92 (KRW27500)
TOTAL: USD497.7
Note that the above is based on the publisher recommended prices and not the discounted price at online bookstores.
Shipping and other charges are not included in the above.
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Re: Creating the best USD500 go book library
I understand your question to ask literally for which books I would buy for my own current use if I did not have them and could not get them for free because of being their publisher. I would buy books rather than cheaper PDFs, because I prefer to browse books rather than files, even if that means fewer books in the library. The list shows the books I am or should be using the most frequently. It does not include books, whose contents I know by heart. It includes books with easy contents, which I still use regularly to look up the exact, most powerful wording of a principle. (This possibility is worth more than spending money for other books with less useful or without principles.) For kyu players, I would suggest fewer life+death problems books, other problems books and a few more theory books.tchan001 wrote:I'm basically wondering what would be the most essential books you would want to buy if you could only spend USD500 and you currently do not have a library.
To be spent EUR 375. Prices in EUR.
THEORY
- 25, First Fundamentals
- 26,5, Joseki 1 Fundamentals
- 26,5, Joseki 2 Strategy
- 26,5, Joseki 3 Dictionary
- 28, Capturing Races 1 Two Basic Groups
- 26,5, Positional Judgement 1 Territory
- 26,5, Fighting Fundamentals
GAMES
- ~29, GoGoD CD
LIFE+DEATH PROBLEMS
- ~20, Hatsuyoron
- ~20, Gengen Gokyo
- ~20, Kansufu
- 11, Modern Dictionary of Life and Death
- ~89,5, random selection of other life+death problem books
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Re: Creating the best USD500 go book library
RJ, how would you spend USD500 other than buying your own books, because in your case, it's available to you freely since you are the author and you don't need to deduct the sum from your budget 
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Re: Creating the best USD500 go book library
I would like to spend the money on go theory books of equal quality, but since I don't see them for my level and knowledge gaps, I would simply buy yet more intermediate to advanced life+death problem books.
FYI, much earlier I read (most of the contents of) tesuji problem books, such as the very expensive Nihon Kiin Tesuji Dictionary. Therefore, they are not on my to-buy list.
FYI, much earlier I read (most of the contents of) tesuji problem books, such as the very expensive Nihon Kiin Tesuji Dictionary. Therefore, they are not on my to-buy list.
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Re: Creating the best USD500 go book library
The Nihon Kiin Tesuji Great Tesuji Encyclopedia is merely expensive. Very expensive starts when you start buying the Nihon Kiin traditional bound limited sets of complete games of certain great Japanese players. And then there is the 1620 Japanese edition of Gengen Gokyou available at Akasiya Shoten bookstore in Tokyo for JPY500,000. That would be prohibitively expensive to me. As would their 1607 edition of Gokyou by Honinbo Sansa available at JPY2,000,000.
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Re: Creating the best USD500 go book library
Marcel, the problem lies deeper: theory books for dans are sparse. Theory books for high dans are essentially non-existing. Existing books for high dans are (mostly life+death) problem books or example-only studies. (Mathematical Go Endgames is an exception, but is useless in practice.)
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Re: Creating the best USD500 go book library
IMO all these lists have too many instructional books and too few commented game collections. I would include the DVD archives of the complete Go World. This would give you around 700 commented games, many articles on go theory and many problems on all phases of the game. At a price of around USD $140 for the complete archive it can't be beaten for useful content. That leaves you $360 to buy other game collections or whatever else you might want. The Go World Archives are a tremendous resource which is not sufficiently appreciated.
I emphasize commented game collections because explanations of theory will only get you so far. Eventually you have to figure things out for yourself yourself and studying pro games is the best way to do that. If you keep your eyes open, every time you play through a pro game you'll see something new, no matter how strong you become.
I emphasize commented game collections because explanations of theory will only get you so far. Eventually you have to figure things out for yourself yourself and studying pro games is the best way to do that. If you keep your eyes open, every time you play through a pro game you'll see something new, no matter how strong you become.
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Re: Creating the best USD500 go book library
How about Go Review as well? I just got the DVDs, but I haven't started on any issues yet.gowan wrote:IMO all these lists have too many instructional books and too few commented game collections. I would include the DVD archives of the complete Go World.
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Re: Creating the best USD500 go book library
gowan, Go World has a great amount of contents, but game commentaries and go theory are at best of intermediate quality. It concentrates too much on a per-move style, so that every move with comments becomes an example with comments. There is little or no generalisation. This kind of game commentary can be found in too many books, journals or other commentaries. Around 3d, I considered that still better than uncommented games. Now, I learn much less per time spent on reading such game commentaries than per time spent on reading and thinking about uncommented games. Similarly, I discover more go theory per time by studying uncommented games than by reading Go World style go theory essays.
So my conclusion is: as long as there won't be more high quality go theory books for dans (*), reading per-move example style game commentaries will only get you so far. But then (at the moment (*) and with the exceptions of a tiny number of top level theory books or of doing research by oneself), we agree on "Eventually you have to figure things out for yourself and studying pro games is the best way to do that.";)
So my conclusion is: as long as there won't be more high quality go theory books for dans (*), reading per-move example style game commentaries will only get you so far. But then (at the moment (*) and with the exceptions of a tiny number of top level theory books or of doing research by oneself), we agree on "Eventually you have to figure things out for yourself and studying pro games is the best way to do that.";)
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Re: Creating the best USD500 go book library
I agree with Robert on this, with the slight caveat that I think he misses the motivational or inspirational element you can get from commentaries, essays or whatever. It is all very well looking at uncommented games, but when you are faced with 70,000 of them, where do you start? (Answer: with collected games of great masters, I suppose - but then which one?).Similarly, I discover more go theory per time by studying uncommented games than by reading Go World style go theory essays.
So my conclusion is: as long as there won't be more high quality go theory books for dans (*), reading per-move example style game commentaries will only get you so far. But then (at the moment (*) and with the exceptions of a tiny number of top level theory books or of doing research by oneself), we agree on "Eventually you have to figure things out for yourself and studying pro games is the best way to do that.";)
To give a specific example of the sort of thing you can usefully figure out for yourself (at high dan level): why do the Japanese usually say "gote no sente" (= sente which is gote) of a honte, rather than "sente no gote" (gote which is sente). The latter phrase exists but is not common. Why?
Before your fingers dash to the keyboard with a facile reply, do bear in mind that Sekiyama Riichi wrote a famous book called "Gote no Sente" in 1935. Even so, he only (and wisely in my view) drops hints. The broadest is in the sub-title to the book: Preparations for attack. The most subtle hints are in the many variations he discusses for josekis after ootakamoku (F4), which is how the book starts. Because this is (or was then) a rather unexplored joseki, at least by amateurs, almost every line throws up a position you have never seen before, which really makes you think.
If you want to look at this joseki you'll find about 400 examples of the main line in the GoGoD database, the modern version starting with Kitani in 1926. It was played extensively in the Shin-Fuseki era of the 1930s and of course Sekiyama played it himself. But if you do study it, don't get bogged down in variations and forget to think in terms of gote no sente. I think it's worth pondering also why this particular joseki throws up so many good examples of gote no sente. Rather than novelty, I think it's the ootakamoku stone that sets the tone in a surprisingly strong way.
I haven't got the answers, of course. I'm too weak. But I do believe I can claim to see that this is a fruitful area for high-dan self study, and that this book (or this joseki) gives you a nice platform.
The copy I'm looking at cost just 1,000 yen, so it fits well within the budget.