I like Japanese Go. How about you?

[Kuopio]

I think the way he moved is so beautiful I am a man , but not a gay.

If you keep upping your game like this, this thread could be an all-time classic.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

So I should not?

[gowan]

Actually they use both igo and go.

Personally I dislike go for the same reason as Daal, it's already a common English word. Out of weiqi and baduk I'd say I like weiqi better, but that's just the English pronunciation of the word since I don't know how natives would say them.

You are absolutely right. Since go is already an English word, maybe Weiqi is really a good name for the game. But in my country, still most people call it go, I guess it is because go was first introduced to EU by Japanese players. Plus, many people ,including me , are fans of Japanese go. I assume that is also one important why the name go is popular.

Weichi (Chinese) and Igo (Japanese) mean exactly the same thing, "surrounding game". Even the characters used to write the words are variants of one another. I don't know what the Korean Hanja are for baduk, probably the same again.

[illluck]

I'm bracing for awesomeness. The OP just got chased out of the Go forum on Baidu Tieba for profanity.

[Splatted]

Actually they use both igo and go.

Personally I dislike go for the same reason as Daal, it's already a common English word. Out of weiqi and baduk I'd say I like weiqi better, but that's just the English pronunciation of the word since I don't know how natives would say them.

You are absolutely right. Since go is already an English word, maybe Weiqi is really a good name for the game. But in my country, still most people call it go, I guess it is because go was first introduced to EU by Japanese players. Plus, many people ,including me , are fans of Japanese go. I assume that is also one important why the name go is popular.

Yeah I use go as well, I just don't like it.

[tchan001]

There are sure a lot of Chinese people in this world, so I'd probably say that there are more people who would call the game weiqi.

[moyoaji]

My biggest problem with the use of the word "go" for the game is the ease, and subsequent frequency, of go puns.

It actually got so bad that my college go club has made a rule that members are not allowed to make go puns during meeting times...

As for professional games, I'm actually a fan of Korean go. If Japanese go is an art, Korean go is like a sport. The Korean games I've watched seem to have a calculated playstyle that I really like. Impressive and intense and brilliant. I would say Japanese games are my second favorite because of how elegant they seem. It's like the players are trying to not just find good moves but find beautiful moves. Some of their title matches have produced amazing games that I can just watch unfold in awe. Chinese is my least favorite of the three. Not sure why, but their games usually seem a bit too fighting heavy. Fighting games can be impressive and even beautiful. I watched a commentary on a Hu Yaoyu game that had an amazing life and death sequence at the end that actually left me open mouthed and laughing at its brilliance. But I have seen some Chinese games that just feel brutish to me - lots of direct forcing moves to build influence or points. I don't even know what to think of this Chinese game: http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/34787 It felt like white didn't even realize what was happening until it was way too late.

That being said, a bad Chinese pro game is still more interesting and entertaining than the best amateur games I've seen.

[illluck]

My biggest problem with the use of the word "go" for the game is the ease, and subsequent frequency, of go puns.

It actually got so bad that my college go club has made a rule that members are not allowed to make go puns during meeting times...

As for professional games, I'm actually a fan of Korean go. If Japanese go is an art, Korean go is like a sport. The Korean games I've watched seem to have a calculated playstyle that I really like. Impressive and intense and brilliant. I would say Japanese games are my second favorite because of how elegant they seem. It's like the players are trying to not just find good moves but find beautiful moves. Some of their title matches have produced amazing games that I can just watch unfold in awe. Chinese is my least favorite of the three. Not sure why, but their games usually seem a bit too fighting heavy. Fighting games can be impressive and even beautiful. I watched a commentary on a Hu Yaoyu game that had an amazing life and death sequence at the end that actually left me open mouthed and laughing at its brilliance. But I have seen some Chinese games that just feel brutish to me - lots of direct forcing moves to build influence or points. I don't even know what to think of this Chinese game: http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/34787 It felt like white didn't even realize what was happening until it was way too late.

That being said, a bad Chinese pro game is still more interesting and entertaining than the best amateur games I've seen.

It's funny, because Korean play is generally considered to be the most aggressive.

[Kuopio]

My biggest problem with the use of the word "go" for the game is the ease, and subsequent frequency, of go puns.

It actually got so bad that my college go club has made a rule that members are not allowed to make go puns during meeting times...

As for professional games, I'm actually a fan of Korean go. If Japanese go is an art, Korean go is like a sport. The Korean games I've watched seem to have a calculated playstyle that I really like. Impressive and intense and brilliant. I would say Japanese games are my second favorite because of how elegant they seem. It's like the players are trying to not just find good moves but find beautiful moves. Some of their title matches have produced amazing games that I can just watch unfold in awe. Chinese is my least favorite of the three. Not sure why, but their games usually seem a bit too fighting heavy. Fighting games can be impressive and even beautiful. I watched a commentary on a Hu Yaoyu game that had an amazing life and death sequence at the end that actually left me open mouthed and laughing at its brilliance. But I have seen some Chinese games that just feel brutish to me - lots of direct forcing moves to build influence or points. I don't even know what to think of this Chinese game: http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/34787 It felt like white didn't even realize what was happening until it was way too late.

That being said, a bad Chinese pro game is still more interesting and entertaining than the best amateur games I've seen.

It's funny, because Korean play is generally considered to be the most aggressive.

Can you get out of my forum? please!!

[Kuopio]

I'm bracing for awesomeness. The OP just got chased out of the Go forum on Baidu Tieba for profanity.

I think something wrong with your brain!! I dont want to say any more bad things. Just Get out of my forum. Ok?

[Bill Spight]

I kind of like

WAIT! Gee.

[moyoaji]

It's funny, because Korean play is generally considered to be the most aggressive.

It could just be selection bias. I obviously haven't looked at every single game, but most of the Korean League games I've seen don't involve big fights. Here are the two most recent Korean League games on go4go.net:

http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/34854 - By move 6 it looks like it could be a game from the 1800s with all 3-4s and low approaches. Park Jungwhan wins in 105 moves without killing anything. Arguably he just makes more points and wins - he's got a nearly 60 point corner that looks hard to reduce.

http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/34853 - This opening has pincers all over the place then the 4p and 5p seem to have a "who can make the bigger move" contest just to test who really has sente, then there is a big attack when black gets a weak group in the center, and finally white wins by killing off a giant group on the bottom.

So I guess country of origin is not the best way to judge games. Same country, same League, same day - two totally different games.

[Kuopio]

It's funny, because Korean play is generally considered to be the most aggressive.

It could just be selection bias. I obviously haven't looked at every single game, but most of the Korean League games I've seen don't involve big fights. Here are the two most recent Korean League games on go4go.net:

http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/34854 - By move 6 it looks like it could be a game from the 1800s with all 3-4s and low approaches. Park Jungwhan wins in 105 moves without killing anything. Arguably he just makes more points and wins - he's got a nearly 60 point corner that looks hard to reduce.

http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/34853 - This opening has pincers all over the place then the 4p and 5p seem to have a "who can make the bigger move" contest just to test who really has sente, then there is a big attack when black gets a weak group in the center, and finally white wins by killing off a giant group on the bottom.

So I guess country of origin is not the best way to judge games. Same country, same League, same day - two totally different games.

I agree with you. That person is Chinese who was even trying to correct my British cousin's grammatical problems. Many Chinese in their own forum said tons of bad things about Africans, even they do not like me who is a China-born European. Sorry that, far away from the topic. If I troubled you, then please forgive me. Sorry.

Last but not least, I agree with your point that Japanese go is like an art ,Korean go is more like a sport. I also watched a lot of Japanese go championships. It really feels like some of them are more than a go player but an artist.

[illluck]

It's funny, because Korean play is generally considered to be the most aggressive.

It could just be selection bias. I obviously haven't looked at every single game, but most of the Korean League games I've seen don't involve big fights. Here are the two most recent Korean League games on go4go.net:

http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/34854 - By move 6 it looks like it could be a game from the 1800s with all 3-4s and low approaches. Park Jungwhan wins in 105 moves without killing anything. Arguably he just makes more points and wins - he's got a nearly 60 point corner that looks hard to reduce.

http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/34853 - This opening has pincers all over the place then the 4p and 5p seem to have a "who can make the bigger move" contest just to test who really has sente, then there is a big attack when black gets a weak group in the center, and finally white wins by killing off a giant group on the bottom.

So I guess country of origin is not the best way to judge games. Same country, same League, same day - two totally different games.

Agreed. Also, not sure if Korean play is still considered the most aggressive - I do know it to be pretty widely accepted a few years back, but it's possible that it has changed. I do think that it's still safe to say that Japanese play tends to be the most calm.

[illluck]

It's funny, because Korean play is generally considered to be the most aggressive.

It could just be selection bias. I obviously haven't looked at every single game, but most of the Korean League games I've seen don't involve big fights. Here are the two most recent Korean League games on go4go.net:

http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/34854 - By move 6 it looks like it could be a game from the 1800s with all 3-4s and low approaches. Park Jungwhan wins in 105 moves without killing anything. Arguably he just makes more points and wins - he's got a nearly 60 point corner that looks hard to reduce.

http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/34853 - This opening has pincers all over the place then the 4p and 5p seem to have a "who can make the bigger move" contest just to test who really has sente, then there is a big attack when black gets a weak group in the center, and finally white wins by killing off a giant group on the bottom.

So I guess country of origin is not the best way to judge games. Same country, same League, same day - two totally different games.

I agree with you. That person is Chinese who was even trying to correct my British cousin's grammatical problems. Many Chinese in their own forum said tons of bad things about Africans, even they do not like me who is a China-born European. Sorry that, far away from the topic. If I troubled you, then please forgive me. Sorry.

Last but not least, I agree with your point that Japanese go is like an art ,Korean go is more like a sport. I also watched a lot of Japanese go championships. It really feels like some of them are more than a go player but an artist.

Actually, I never replied to you on Baidu Tieba - I have a hard time typing/writing Chinese. I did post this after recogniting you on here, though: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2492409484

[Kuopio]

Actually, I never replied to you on Baidu Tieba - I have a hard time typing/writing Chinese. I did post this after recogniting you on here, though: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2492409484[/quote]

Whatever!! Now I just want to get rid of Chinese go. And as my American friends said, sometimes 'origin' does not mean anything. So even I am China-born European, my parents are Chinese. I do not have to love Chinese Go. I will convince all my friends and family members to learn more things about Japanese go. You are not welcome to my forum!! I really regret a lot to trust Chinese. If it is not some Chinese people who asked me to send photos about my life and Go in my country, I wont say anything in Chinese Tiebar. Since I posted photos and messages there, they started to say bad thins about me. What is wrong with those people's brain. Now, they even do not allow me to delete my posts and photos. What a ironic shame on me!! So, Please get out!! Thanks a lot!!