Segoe's joseki advice

[walpurgis]

Robert, you seem assume that everyone else has a need to categorize and codifie everything as much as you do. You also claim (always/most of the time?) that your way of putting things is simply better than others - often because you can call it more 'precise'.

Now let me tell you, there are people like me (tons of us!) who want to think, to play by intuition. When I learn new things I don't need to be able to lay down my entire thought process into visible steps nor do I need explicit explanation/rule for every specific situation (in go and also elsewhere). I can "feel" that this is the proper move; I have no need to provide a calculation of profit vs influence vs something else to justify my move.

So when you say

Your advertising of 6 types as too many for the non-pro players is one of the most counter-productive advices one could give to players intending to learn and understand many josekis. Much less counter-productive would be an advice to learn only the types (and their natures), no josekis and develop joseki-like sequences ad hoc during one's games.

it makes me think the exact opposite. So in this case I will argue for the favour of Segoe's advice, and say that it is your advice that is counterproductive. You have way too many categories and the whole list becomes useless for practical use - even if one can always trace back a particular joseki to one of the items on the list. I would never think in terms of such narrow categories when playing - a newbie much less. The fact that you can account for more scenarios does not mean you should.

You should understand that there are people who think differently from you, and that no matter how excellent you think your idea/advice is, it might not be good/effective for everyone.

[Bill Spight]

See Mef's post, above.

[SmoothOper]

What about those joseki that stress their own view point as the true and correct view point.

[Joaz Banbeck]

What about those joseki that stress their own view point as the true and correct view point.

We call those 'jaseki'.

[RobertJasiek]

it makes me think the exact opposite.

If you did what you claim to do (decide by intuition), then you would not say so, because also Segeo's advice (with its categorisation and codification) would be meaningless for your intuition.

You have way too many categories

How many josekis have you learnt so far? 17 or more? If so, you have way too many josekis in your head for somebody deciding his moves by intuition.:)

and the whole list becomes useless for practical use

As a KGS 4 kyu, you can say so, because probably your (intuitive?) joseki understanding has not reached a point yet, where you can appreciate every list item quickly. E.g., 'lean and attack' joseki are related to the fighting type 'lean and attack'. If you do not easily and regularly apply this fighting type (or some subconscious, "intuitive" equivalent of it) in your games, you have the chance to improve in playing strength by acquiring this and similar knowledge.

[snorri]

likelihood of my getting stronger by reading this thread: 0

likelihood of my getting stronger by working through Segoe / Go Seigen tesuji dictionary: 100%

Thank you, Segoe, for that. As with all geniuses, I will ignore and forgive your foray into philosophy.