Kirby's Study Journal

Create a study plan, track your progress and hold yourself accountable.
lobotommy
Lives in gote
Posts: 408
Joined: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:01 am
Rank: EGF 3kyu
GD Posts: 0
Universal go server handle: tommyray (1d/2d)
Location: Poland, Gliwice
Has thanked: 127 times
Been thanked: 94 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by lobotommy »

"Pro called me a coward." Made my day. :)
Tsumego/Tesuji apps for iPad, iPhone & Android devices:http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... =18&t=7511
User avatar
ez4u
Oza
Posts: 2414
Joined: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:15 pm
Rank: Jp 6 dan
GD Posts: 0
KGS: ez4u
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Has thanked: 2351 times
Been thanked: 1332 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by ez4u »

In game 4 at move 100 you wrote, "Black is a bit behind, I think. White has a lot of points." But I think Black would still be in the game if you had played down at L3.
Dave Sigaty
"Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and rememberer and the remembered..."
- Marcus Aurelius; Meditations, VIII 21
Kirby
Honinbo
Posts: 9553
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pm
GD Posts: 0
KGS: Kirby
Tygem: 커비라고해
Has thanked: 1583 times
Been thanked: 1707 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Kirby »

ez4u wrote:In game 4 at move 100 you wrote, "Black is a bit behind, I think. White has a lot of points." But I think Black would still be in the game if you had played down at L3.


Could very well be. I feel in this game, my endgame was very bad in that white got most of the big points (including L3 area).

I think I made mistakes earlier, but I agree black probably had a chance at this point.

I really should figure out how to play endgame one of these days. It seems like "low hanging fruit", but when I sit down to study, I can't help but do life and death problems, so I never really learn endgame.
be immersed
Kirby
Honinbo
Posts: 9553
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pm
GD Posts: 0
KGS: Kirby
Tygem: 커비라고해
Has thanked: 1583 times
Been thanked: 1707 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Kirby »

I played a game online. I won by a little bit, but there were some problems I encountered.
be immersed
Kirby
Honinbo
Posts: 9553
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pm
GD Posts: 0
KGS: Kirby
Tygem: 커비라고해
Has thanked: 1583 times
Been thanked: 1707 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Kirby »

Based on the game I just played, I wondered what the biggest point is at this point in the game:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Move 35
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm thinking maybe something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Move 35
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What do you think?
be immersed
Kirby
Honinbo
Posts: 9553
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pm
GD Posts: 0
KGS: Kirby
Tygem: 커비라고해
Has thanked: 1583 times
Been thanked: 1707 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Kirby »

In the game, I played move 40 here:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W Move 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


How does this compare to:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W Move 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is there a better move?
be immersed
Kirby
Honinbo
Posts: 9553
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pm
GD Posts: 0
KGS: Kirby
Tygem: 커비라고해
Has thanked: 1583 times
Been thanked: 1707 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Kirby »

Any other comments on the game are welcome.
be immersed
User avatar
Loons
Gosei
Posts: 1378
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:17 am
GD Posts: 0
Location: wHam!lton, Aotearoa
Has thanked: 253 times
Been thanked: 105 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Loons »

11 - looking up the joseki was interesting. The first joseki given in Takao's is just the stylish H6, black E3. Later, white has d3 d4 d2 to get a ko for the corner or other follow ups.

26 - Seemed a bit eager to me.

34 - I was tempted to wrap around the outside instead, though that seems weak territorially. What do you think?

36 & 40 - both surely better at q10

I'll look more tomorrow.
Revisiting Go - Study Journal
My Programming Blog - About the evolution of my go bot.
User avatar
SoDesuNe
Gosei
Posts: 1810
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:57 am
Rank: KGS 1-dan
GD Posts: 0
Has thanked: 490 times
Been thanked: 365 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by SoDesuNe »

I'm a bit rusty, so I hope I didn't write too many stupid things ^^ Just a few comments on how I would have played : )

User avatar
ez4u
Oza
Posts: 2414
Joined: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:15 pm
Rank: Jp 6 dan
GD Posts: 0
KGS: ez4u
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Has thanked: 2351 times
Been thanked: 1332 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by ez4u »

In the lower left, let's look at what happened. Below is one standard continuation when White extends at :w1:. IMHO this is what White should have done in the game.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc One joseki
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 X 3 O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 2 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The end result of what actually took place is below. In effect White passes at the end of the joseki.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Tewari of Game Continuation
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 1 X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I would probably have played :w5: above at :w1: below to make the best of a bad situation. Black gets in :b2: and :b4: before returning to :b6: but White shuts off the side in better shape.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc How about this?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 5 1 . . O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Dave Sigaty
"Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and rememberer and the remembered..."
- Marcus Aurelius; Meditations, VIII 21
User avatar
ez4u
Oza
Posts: 2414
Joined: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:15 pm
Rank: Jp 6 dan
GD Posts: 0
KGS: ez4u
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Has thanked: 2351 times
Been thanked: 1332 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by ez4u »

Kirby wrote:Based on the game I just played, I wondered what the biggest point is at this point in the game:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Move 35
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm thinking maybe something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Move 35
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What do you think?

In the actual game, White answered Black's cut at E12 with F11, allowing Black to cleanly capture the D12 stone. So in effect, Black 35 ( :b1: in the diagram) was a threat to connect two living groups along the second line. White definitely should not have answered it. The alternative of Q10 on the right instead of B7 on the left is an excellent move.

One alternative that strikes my eye would be the hanging connection at E13. It would expand White's wall and loosely link it to the top left corner. If we imagine that Black plays on the right and White responds on the top as in the game, the play at the top would be much more powerful with the back door on the left side shut by a White stone on E13.
Dave Sigaty
"Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and rememberer and the remembered..."
- Marcus Aurelius; Meditations, VIII 21
User avatar
Magicwand
Tengen
Posts: 4844
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:26 am
Rank: Wbaduk 7D
GD Posts: 0
KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Has thanked: 62 times
Been thanked: 504 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Magicwand »

Kirby wrote:In the game, I played move 40 here:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W Move 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


How does this compare to:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W Move 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is there a better move?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W Move 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . 1 , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


answer to your above question on Q10........ it is big but doesnt have any purpose. fuseki is more than throwing a stone in an open space. your move have to have purpose to it. I would have played J4. it is big and build your influence and take away opponent's growth. If black take that side then you have top side that is open... miai.
sorry for being so cold on comment.
i feel that you have reached the level where you should think about such.
for weaker players playing that move is fine but for you i expect higher standard.
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"

Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
User avatar
Loons
Gosei
Posts: 1378
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:17 am
GD Posts: 0
Location: wHam!lton, Aotearoa
Has thanked: 253 times
Been thanked: 105 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Loons »

@mw

If white plays j4 isn't black happy to occupy the right?
Revisiting Go - Study Journal
My Programming Blog - About the evolution of my go bot.
skydyr
Oza
Posts: 2495
Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:06 am
GD Posts: 0
Universal go server handle: skydyr
Online playing schedule: When my wife is out.
Location: DC
Has thanked: 156 times
Been thanked: 436 times

Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by skydyr »

Loons wrote:@mw

If white plays j4 isn't black happy to occupy the right?


I thought the right looked a lot bigger than the bottom too...
User avatar
EdLee
Honinbo
Posts: 8859
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:49 pm
GD Posts: 312
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Has thanked: 349 times
Been thanked: 2070 times

Post by EdLee »

Kirby,
Pro opinion:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W Move 40
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Post Reply