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Offline uriel
 Post subject: Re: #224. graemy vs uriel
Post #61 Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:59 pm 
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I've been thinking for ages about what to do, and I figure'd I'd play here eventually

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Post #62 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:02 am 
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I wonder what he's doing... I don't think it's a good move to move these stones, but maybe he's going to sacrifice them. But I don't know if I like that either... hmm.

Either way, playing at a seems like it's too passive, if he hanes at b, I plan on cutting at c.

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 Post subject: Re: #224. graemy vs uriel
Post #63 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:46 am 
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Moving out White's cutting stones isn't bad (although White should have approached the bottom-right corner, first). However, how one moves out these stones makes all the difference. The proper way would have been the following:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #64 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:05 pm 
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"Play away from thickness", play away from sickness... :roll: I need to play light, and reduce black here. The last thing I want is to be sealed in here, and this gives me good shape if graemy tenukis.

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Post #65 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:43 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, so I've caught his cutting stones. Now my group is thick and he has two floating stones right next to my thickness, maybe I can get an attack going.
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Post #66 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:06 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think the last three exchanges have been good for me, and with high stones to run to I think I can more easily play this stone finally.

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Post #67 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:19 pm 
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Weird. I think of the defining feature of the upper right as "black influence", not "stones for W to run to". Shouldn't he expect something like this?

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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . 7 . . 5 3 4 . |
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Post #68 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:43 pm 
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hmm. I think this is dangerous for him.

Playing like this isn't good for him.
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I split him this way too.
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . 1 2 . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #69 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:17 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I need to settle now

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Post #70 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:34 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Joseki move seems good. I wonder what he's going for and what he's thinking.

I suspect that he's going for this. But, instead of following the pattern as below, he will try to take sente to get a or b. This seems like a dangerous strategy to me.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . a b . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 4 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . 8 . 7 O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . 3 . . 1 O B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 0 9 . . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #71 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:50 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . 1 O B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The only move

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Post #72 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:26 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is the move to play in the chinese fuseki. His two stones may effect the weakness at a in a weird way. But, I will play like this anyway o:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #73 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:52 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This should be my next move I think, since I can't let black so easily separate my groups.

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he's not careful here, he'll die. He has two groups and neither of them have a base yet and it seems like there's no easy way to connect them.
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Post #75 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:33 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 B . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I have to fight here

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Post #76 Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:36 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can cut if he extends, and if he protects, I'll hane at the marked white stone.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X B . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 3 2 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 0 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . 7 6 . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X 8 9 . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He still isn't alive in the corner, though I suspect he will live, but his outside stones are still a target. I'll probably just approach the upper left to ladder break and try to open up the cut at a some. Or maybe I should protect my stones at the bottom first. With my forcing moves against his bottom group, they should be fine. I'm not too happy about the shape of my stones, but they should work.
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a O X B . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X 4 2 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O X 3 O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #77 Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:16 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X B . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 1 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I need to strengthen myself here to either try to save P10 or invade the left. If white is too thin I'll be cut apart

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Post #78 Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:47 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, let's see what he does here, if he hanes, I'll double hane.

I would like to get sente to play a sometime soon.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . a . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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As much as I hate giving up P10 here, I think trying to save it is worse. This way I'm building some strength to prepare to attack the lower side.

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 Post subject: Re: #224. graemy vs uriel
Post #80 Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:44 am 
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I want sente to play on the bottom
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