It is currently Wed May 14, 2025 11:34 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon 1,900 Career Wins
Post #1 Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:50 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 641
Liked others: 142
Was liked: 438
GD Posts: 9
Image

Congratulations are due for Cho Hun-hyeon when this afternoon he reached his 1,900th career win, defeating female professional Choi Jung. Setting the record, yet again, for the most professional games won the next closest is his former pupil, Yi Ch'ang-ho (1,644), followed by Seo Pong-su (1,537) and Cho Chikun (1,400+). It will be exciting for go fans when the first 2,000th career win marker is broken in the next few years.

On a similar note, Cho also holds the record for the most number of titles (158), again beating out his former pupil Yi (146) for first place. Where do other professional player's stand on this title marker? Cho Chikun leads Japan with 74-titles, in China Gu Li just recently tied with top 1980s & 90s professional Ma Xiaochun at 47-titles, and Yi Se-tol follows a distant third in Korea with 42-titles.

-----------------
If anyone has Cho's most recent game record and would like to share, it would be appreciated.

Thank-you,
logan

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon 1,900 Career Wins
Post #2 Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:41 am 
Oza
User avatar

Posts: 2414
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Liked others: 2351
Was liked: 1332
Rank: Jp 6 dan
KGS: ez4u
logan wrote:
...

Where do other professional player's stand on this title marker? Cho Chikun leads Japan with 74-titles...
logan

72 titles according to his Nihon Kiin Profile.

_________________
Dave Sigaty
"Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and rememberer and the remembered..."
- Marcus Aurelius; Meditations, VIII 21

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon 1,900 Career Wins
Post #3 Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:33 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 641
Liked others: 142
Was liked: 438
GD Posts: 9
And eighty according to Sensei's Library.

But there's no need to nitpick on such a fun and casual topic ez4u : )

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon 1,900 Career Wins
Post #4 Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:49 am 
Oza
User avatar

Posts: 2414
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Liked others: 2351
Was liked: 1332
Rank: Jp 6 dan
KGS: ez4u
logan wrote:
...

But there's no need to nitpick on such a fun and casual topic ez4u : )

You're probably right, especially if you consider +/- 10% good enough. Personally I don't think that 'Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon somewhere between 1,700 and 2,100 Career Wins' has quite the same ring to it - but probably that's just me! ;-)

_________________
Dave Sigaty
"Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and rememberer and the remembered..."
- Marcus Aurelius; Meditations, VIII 21

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon 1,900 Career Wins
Post #5 Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:12 am 
Oza

Posts: 3723
Liked others: 20
Was liked: 4671
The Nihon Ki-in only counts titles for events which are individual and open (not necessarily to all pros, but all within an age group). On that basis 72 is the right figure.

SL is misleading because it counts the Ricoh Cup, which is excluded by the NK on the grounds it is pair go and an invitation event. SL also lists wins in China-Japan co-title matches but these are naturally limited to two players. The NK also excludes the Oteai "title" (not really a tournament) given in SL and the Shusai Cup which was invitation only. SL however omits the Masters Cup.


This post by John Fairbairn was liked by: xed_over
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon 1,900 Career Wins
Post #6 Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:14 pm 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 180
Liked others: 6
Was liked: 4
so it is safe to say that Cho is the greatest player ever lived?

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon 1,900 Career Wins
Post #7 Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:18 pm 
Oza
User avatar

Posts: 2777
Location: Seattle, WA
Liked others: 251
Was liked: 549
KGS: oren
Tygem: oren740, orenl
IGS: oren
Wbaduk: oren
LokBuddha wrote:
so it is safe to say that Cho is the greatest player ever lived?


Probably not. :)

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon 1,900 Career Wins
Post #8 Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:21 pm 
Oza
User avatar

Posts: 2414
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Liked others: 2351
Was liked: 1332
Rank: Jp 6 dan
KGS: ez4u
oren wrote:
LokBuddha wrote:
so it is safe to say that Cho is the greatest player ever lived?


Probably not. :)

Definitely not on L19! No assertions are "safe" here. :rambo:

_________________
Dave Sigaty
"Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and rememberer and the remembered..."
- Marcus Aurelius; Meditations, VIII 21

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon 1,900 Career Wins
Post #9 Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:29 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1758
Liked others: 378
Was liked: 375
Rank: 4d
ez4u wrote:
oren wrote:
LokBuddha wrote:
so it is safe to say that Cho is the greatest player ever lived?


Probably not. :)

Definitely not on L19! No assertions are "safe" here. :rambo:

That itself is an assertion, which I now feel required to offer a dissenting opinion about.

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon 1,900 Career Wins
Post #10 Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:57 pm 
Honinbo

Posts: 9552
Liked others: 1602
Was liked: 1712
KGS: Kirby
Tygem: 커비라고해
LokBuddha wrote:
so it is safe to say that Cho is the greatest player ever lived?


Depends on what you mean by "greatest".

_________________
be immersed

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon 1,900 Career Wins
Post #11 Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:40 am 
Oza
User avatar

Posts: 2414
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Liked others: 2351
Was liked: 1332
Rank: Jp 6 dan
KGS: ez4u
Dusk Eagle wrote:
ez4u wrote:
...
Definitely not on L19! No assertions are "safe" here. :rambo:

That itself is an assertion, which I now feel required to offer a dissenting opinion about.

Right! (Next assertion) L19's just can't resist! :razz: (your turn)

_________________
Dave Sigaty
"Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and rememberer and the remembered..."
- Marcus Aurelius; Meditations, VIII 21

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon 1,900 Career Wins
Post #12 Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:09 pm 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 180
Liked others: 6
Was liked: 4
Cho is the greatest based on his actual real hard solid awesome results. Who on earth can best him right now???? the so called Lee Sedol is eating Cho's dust right now..lololololololol

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon 1,900 Career Wins
Post #13 Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:18 am 
Tengen

Posts: 4382
Location: Caldas da Rainha, Portugal
Liked others: 499
Was liked: 733
Rank: AGA 3k
GD Posts: 65
OGS: Hyperpape 4k
LokBuddha wrote:
Cho is the greatest based on his actual real hard solid awesome results. Who on earth can best him right now???? the so called Lee Sedol is eating Cho's dust right now..lololololololol
Competition matters, and Yi Ch'ang-ho and Yi Se-tol both had more of it than Cho did.

_________________
Occupy Babel!

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group