global warming real? or hoax

[HermanHiddema]

I am referring to the literature review done by James Lawrence Powell in 2012. (http://www.jamespowell.org/)

I completely agree with your source. Climate change is occuring. But as my more recent sources have said (2013 mind you and even a 2012) which specifically state there is no evidence for Global warming but rather global cooling.

My Nasa Climate scientist also is a better fit source of information compared to "James Lawrence Powell".

James Lawrence Powell is not the source. He did a literature review, which means he read the abstracts, and if that was not clear the content, of some 14,000 peer reviewed scientific papers and documented whether they concluded that global warming is man-made.

So the source is the 34,000 scientist that wrote those papers, of whom 34 do not believe global warming is man-made.

Not only are all the articles post dated but mine come directly from a Nasa scientist, and have figures on Ice Growth in the artic area as well.

The 14,000 papers I referenced all come from experts in the field, and all have specific data.

Theoretical articles have no standing when it comes to documented fact such as the over growth of ice in 2012 and 2013 indicating a global cooling trend v.s. warming.

Ice growth in single years does not make a trend. Climate is a wildly chaotic system, and notoriously unpredictable on short time-frames. (Hence why we can't even predict the weather accurately a week in advance).

Also no scientific controversy?

Again more personal opinion... endless strawmans... you assume there isn't but where is the evidence saying it is the way to assume it is?

Do you know what the term strawman means? Can you cite even one specific example from my post of a strawman?

[HermanHiddema]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-h-g ... 94164.html
"We're very embarrassed," said Dr. Melissa Tonnennsen, a climate scientist with NASA, "but we must admit that sign errors do occasionally occur. We normally discover them, but this one slipped by us for over a century. The climate is still changing -- we got that right -- it's just that everything is going in the other direction."

Um, why are you quoting a non-existent person from an April fools article?

[Bantari]

Global Warming... Yea right. Lets cover some recent news:

Here is what I have for you (Thanks TheBigH, I *love* this gif):

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Sk ... istsv3.gif

Now you know where all the articles you cite come from, and how misleading they are.
Now you can put it to rest and stop talking such nonsense.

The guardian.
The huffington post.
The Washington Examiner.
Forbes.

Yup.

[Bantari]

Global Warming... Yea right. Lets cover some recent news:

Here is what I have for you (Thanks TheBigH, I *love* this gif):

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Sk ... istsv3.gif

Now you know where all the articles you cite come from, and how misleading they are.
Now you can put it to rest and stop talking such nonsense.

How about the Climate Nasa scientist Dr. Melissa Tonnennsen. Guess she is misleading too.

Yup.

[Bantari]

Global Warming... Yea right. Lets cover some recent news:

Here is what I have for you (Thanks TheBigH, I *love* this gif):

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Sk ... istsv3.gif

Now you know where all the articles you cite come from, and how misleading they are.
Now you can put it to rest and stop talking such nonsense.

So are you saying that Nasa is invalidated?

Nope.

[Bantari]

Global Warming... Yea right. Lets cover some recent news:

Here is what I have for you (Thanks TheBigH, I *love* this gif):

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Sk ... istsv3.gif

Now you know where all the articles you cite come from, and how misleading they are.
Now you can put it to rest and stop talking such nonsense.

Nonsense? Hmm Guess Nasa researchers speak nonsense.

Some do, some don't.
Its NASA, not The Bible. Don't treat it like one.

[Bantari]

Global Warming... Yea right. Lets cover some recent news:

Here is what I have for you (Thanks TheBigH, I *love* this gif):

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Sk ... istsv3.gif

Now you know where all the articles you cite come from, and how misleading they are.
Now you can put it to rest and stop talking such nonsense.

What about meteorlogist Anthony Watts? From the forbes website... nope nope you must think that
is nonsense also.

Yup.

[Bantari]

Global Warming... Yea right. Lets cover some recent news:

Here is what I have for you (Thanks TheBigH, I *love* this gif):

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Sk ... istsv3.gif

Now you know where all the articles you cite come from, and how misleading they are.
Now you can put it to rest and stop talking such nonsense.

Waiting for evidence. Not strawmen thanks!

No matter what I say, you will reject it and post more nonsense.

So I tell you what... instead of relying on 3rd parties politically-motivated articles and reports and statements, or on anything I might do or say here, which you will reject anyways - just do your own research. It is not that hard - collect the freely available temp data, or polar cap data, or whatever - there is a *ton* of related data and many different ways to approach the subject. If you go back, year by year, for a few decades you will see a very clear result. If this result supports your viewpoint, post it here and we will all tell you what you did wrong.

[Uzziel]

Strawman:

I am rather amazed at this kind of statement.

How does a person think that they can do 15 minuted of layman googling and somehow overturn a scientific consensus that is built upon millions of hours of research by thousands of people that spent years to become experts.

It's like saying: I just learned go and am 20 kyu, and although all the professionals say this corner is dead, I have just looked at it for a few minutes and concluded it is alive.

I am not sure what you do not understand.

The Nasa scientist summed it up beautifully stating that all evidence was showing climate change, but not global warming. She spoke for the whole scientific community when saying they were wrong.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/Global-cooling-Arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html

The pause – which has now been accepted as real by every major climate research centre – is important, because the models’ predictions of ever-increasing global temperatures have made many of the world’s economies divert billions of pounds into ‘green’ measures to counter climate change.

Those predictions now appear gravely flawed.

Professor Anastasios Tsonis, of the University of Wisconsin, was one of the first to investigate the ocean cycles.He said: ‘We are already in a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped.


So... Did all those research papers know about "The pause"?

Doubt it... because they were assuming warming would continue and a never ending upward trend. They were taking climate change indications and assuming global warming and not global cooling would occur.

I am wondering if you read any of the evidence I posted because I bet not.

The sun is in it dormant cycle... things are getting cooler, and not warmer.


Anything recent to 2012/2013 are all saying that global warming has stopped, and the global cooling is occurring.

Not to mention you not addressing the fact that all your studies and even the literature review itself has been posted by all of my evidence.

It is immaterial at this point.

The hard proof is that COOLING IS OCCURRING. That ICE IS BEING FORMED at a rate greater than has ever been seen before and that scientist are starting to see global warming as the mistakes estimation it is.

[wineandgolover]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-h-g ... 94164.html
"We're very embarrassed," said Dr. Melissa Tonnennsen, a climate scientist with NASA, "but we must admit that sign errors do occasionally occur. We normally discover them, but this one slipped by us for over a century. The climate is still changing -- we got that right -- it's just that everything is going in the other direction."

Um, why are you quoting a non-existent person from an April fools article?

Folks, please pay attention. Uzziel's primary source was an April Fool's joke. He's a troll, or seriously confused. Best to ignore.

[Uzziel]

No matter what I say, you will reject it and post more nonsense.

So I tell you what... instead of relying on 3rd parties politically-motivated articles and reports and statements, or on anything I might do or say here, which you will reject anyways - just do your own research. It is not that hard - collect the freely available temp data, or polar cap data, or whatever - there is a *ton* of related data and many different ways to approach the subject. If you go back, year by year, for a few decades you will see a very clear result. If this result supports your viewpoint, post it here and we will all tell you what you did wrong.

Guess nonsense is actual fact, and evidence.

Guess this is real:

Cognitive dissonance is the discomfort experienced when simultaneously holding two or more conflicting cognitions: ideas, beliefs, values or emotional reactions. n a state of dissonance, people may sometimes feel "disequilibrium": frustration, hunger, dread, guilt, anger, embarrassment, anxiety, etc.

[Uzziel]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-h-g ... 94164.html
"We're very embarrassed," said Dr. Melissa Tonnennsen, a climate scientist with NASA, "but we must admit that sign errors do occasionally occur. We normally discover them, but this one slipped by us for over a century. The climate is still changing -- we got that right -- it's just that everything is going in the other direction."

Um, why are you quoting a non-existent person from an April fools article?

Folks, please pay attention. Uzziel's primary source was an April Fool's joke. He's a troll, or seriously confused. Best to ignore.

Then im done posting.

[HermanHiddema]

Then im done posting.

Too bad. I was really interested in your answer to my question.

[Bantari]

No matter what I say, you will reject it and post more nonsense.

So I tell you what... instead of relying on 3rd parties politically-motivated articles and reports and statements, or on anything I might do or say here, which you will reject anyways - just do your own research. It is not that hard - collect the freely available temp data, or polar cap data, or whatever - there is a *ton* of related data and many different ways to approach the subject. If you go back, year by year, for a few decades you will see a very clear result. If this result supports your viewpoint, post it here and we will all tell you what you did wrong.

Pretty said when nonsense is actual fact, and evidence.

To be sure, none of the statements you read in the press, or hear in the media, from neither side, is *evidence*, regardless if it is a scientist who says them or a political hack. And most of it, from either side, is politically motivated, one way or another. But there is enough data out there to do your own research easily.

So why don't you do the research I challenged you to do? It is *really* not that hard. And then you won't have to rely on what others say.

If you need help, please let me/us know, I am sure somebody will point you in the right direction. This is really the easiest way to see what is 'evidence' and what is 'nonsense'.

Guess this is real:

Cognitive dissonance is the discomfort experienced when simultaneously holding two or more conflicting cognitions: ideas, beliefs, values or emotional reactions. n a state of dissonance, people may sometimes feel "disequilibrium": frustration, hunger, dread, guilt, anger, embarrassment, anxiety, etc.

I am not sure how this fits into anything. Is that the condition you have?

[Bantari]

Nonsense? Hmm Guess Nasa researchers speak nonsense.

Here is a page from NASA:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

Yes I looked at it after your claims. And it seems to me that their own diagrams based on their own research shows clearly that the global temperature is raising over the past few decades. Just saying...

Still - do the research I told you. It is an eye opener for people who claim what you do.
Besides, it is fun to watch them squirm when they try to put a desperate spin on the inconvenient results.