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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #101 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:06 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm72 Move 72 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X 1 X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay ... I'm now seriously considering whether I can kill at least part of the lower group of stones:

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[go]$$Wcm72 Move 72 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . 4 . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O 3 O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X 1 X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . B O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O B B . B . B O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O B . . . . B O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


At the very least, I can keep the group cut off, and we'll see if he can make two eyes. I don't think it will die, but let's see if he worries at all about it.
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #102 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:50 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm73 Move 73 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White can't let me capture this.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #103 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:04 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm74 Move 74 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O 1 O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Such a mess ... well, that's the name of the game here ... trying to make things dangerous in one way or another for my opponent.
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #104 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:06 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . 1 . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Need to connect my stones to like ... live and stuff. Also, now I'm very worried about my bottom group.


EDIT: Fixed color of stone played.
EDIT2: Fixed move number
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #105 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:15 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm76 Move 76 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . B . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm assuming C11 was your move, not mine. If not, we can roll back.

The weak group is now attacked. Let's see how he responds. I chose this particular move because it removes a number of possible forcing moves for Black to exploit, and really makes the bottom Black group look weak. This might just be what I was looking for. I'll re-count when the dust settles a bit.
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Offline Shaddy
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #106 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:22 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . B . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X 6 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O 2 5 8 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 3 4 1 . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Is it just me, or did w miss this?


Last edited by Shaddy on Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #107 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:23 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm77 Move 77 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This connects my two groups. The strongest resistance is this, which does cut my groups, but also kinda makes me live.
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[go]$$Bcm77 Move 77 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X 5 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O 1 4 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 2 3 O 9 . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #108 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:43 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm78 Move 78 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I certainly misread this line of play. :) I thought he couldn't connect. I was wrong. Here's how this is going to play out:

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[go]$$Wcm78 Move 78 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 6 1 2 O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . 9 8 . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Aaand ... my opponent gets sente. Awesome. :D When I misread, I really shoot myself in the foot.
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #109 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:46 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm79 Move 79 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 1 O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Se my previous post. He can't cut me without making me live.
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Offline Marcus
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Post #110 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:56 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm80 Move 80 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Slight change of plan:

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[go]$$Wcm80 Move 80 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X 2 . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 4 O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . 7 6 . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Making a better connection. If I'm gonna play gote, I might as well reduce the weak points in my (now useless) wall. ;)
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Post #111 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm81 Move 81 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Is he reading something I'm not?
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[go]$$Wcm82 Move 82 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . 1 . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe, just maybe, I can endure ... a count will be necessary shortly.
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Post #113 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:25 pm 
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Marcus wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm82 Move 82 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . a . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X 2 X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe, just maybe, I can endure ... a count will be necessary shortly.



No matter what, this move should be at 1 for sure. Following with 2, and 3. It's huge! It's bad thinking not to play 1. You might lose two stones, but you will get a chance to kill a huge group. Even if you want to resist the urge to kill, you can still AT LEAST use the aji available. Also, it lets black connect way too easily, which harm's white's left side!

-edit- I'm wrong about this sequence, see topazg's sequence below!

See:

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[go]$$Wcm82 Move 82 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . 3 . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . 1 . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O a . . . . . . 5 4 . . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


etc etc. I don't think white can win now with this last move. It's been a good game. Also, I believe there is a tesuji in that shape around a for black to get into his moyo yet again.

Something like this:
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[go]$$Wcm82 Move 82 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . 3 . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . 5 1 . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X 8 O 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X X 7 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #114 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:43 pm 
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ketchup wrote:
Move sequences and stuff ..


Your B1 that must be played doesn't work - Read the cut at H7 for Black after your sequence :)
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Post #115 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:46 pm 
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topazg wrote:
ketchup wrote:
Move sequences and stuff ..


Your B1 that must be played doesn't work - Read the cut at H7 for Black after your sequence :)


Sorry, please clarify, I'm having a hard time with seeing these sequences on the diagrams on here. Might not need diagrams, but at least some sequences please and also which diagram? I just copied and pasted, so it's not all labeled. The tesuji? I don't think I state any move must be played for black. And for the move for white, I don't see any better alternative because of his many shape issues.

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Post #116 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:54 pm 
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Sorry, please clarify, I'm having a hard time with seeing these sequences on the diagrams on here. Might not need diagrams, but at least some sequences please and also which diagram? I just copied and pasted, so it's not all labeled. The tesuji? I don't think I state any move must be played for black. And for the move for white, I don't see any better alternative because of his many shape issues.


Sorry, I meant for White:

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[go]$$Wcm82 Move 82 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . a . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X X 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 O X O 8 . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X 2 X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #117 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:58 pm 
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topazg wrote:
Sorry, I meant for White:

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[go]$$Wcm82 Move 82 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . a . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X X 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 O X O 8 . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X 2 X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hahaha I see. My mistake! I guess that shape is just no good. I guess it's expected that I saw the weakness for later when looking for black to play, but didn't see it for white to play :( . This makes more sense, since I was being confused by the B1. Thank you for the sequence/diagram.

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Post #118 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:05 pm 
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ketchup wrote:
Hahaha I see. My mistake! I guess that shape is just no good. I guess it's expected that I saw the weakness for later when looking for black to play, but didn't see it for white to play :( . This makes more sense, since I was being confused by the B1. Thank you for the sequence/diagram.


No problem, sorry for being confusing :) I left "a" on there because as you can see in the final position a move around there is vital for White, meaning that Black not only captured those stones to live, but got them in sente, and the left hand side still isn't properly fixed:

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[go]$$Wcm82 Move 82 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . a . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . 3 O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . 5 4 . 1 X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X 2 X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's a fairly big reduction for later
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Post #119 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:47 pm 
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topazg wrote:
No problem, sorry for being confusing :) I left "a" on there because as you can see in the final position a move around there is vital for White, meaning that Black not only captured those stones to live, but got them in sente, and the left hand side still isn't properly fixed:

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[go]$$Wcm82 Move 82 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . a . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . 3 O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . 5 4 . 1 X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X 2 X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's a fairly big reduction for later


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[go]$$Wcm82 Move 82 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . a . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . 3 O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . 4 . 1 X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X 2 X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here it is 5 though. This cleans the aji I believe. I browsed through a few of the variation, and this was the only one that quickly dealt with the aji as best as possible.

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 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #120 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:49 pm 
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Quite right, I got those moves the wrong way round I think. Better to play the peep first, but then it's a gote capture of two stones again.
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