#224. graemy vs uriel

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Re: #224. graemy vs uriel

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[go]$$Wcm120 Captures: B=0 W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . B 1 . X . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X X O . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X O . . . . X . X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . . . . X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . O . X O . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I must block here
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Re: #224. graemy vs uriel

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[go]$$Wcm120 Captures: B=0 W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X X O . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X O . . . . X . X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . . . . X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . O . X O . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


O: seems reasonable to me
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Re: #224. graemy vs uriel

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[go]$$Wcm120 Captures: B=0 W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B 1 . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X X O . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X O . . . . X . X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . . . . X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . O . X O . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Pretty sure it's my only move
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Re: #224. graemy vs uriel

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[go]$$Wcm120 Captures: B=0 W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X O . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X X O . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X O . . . . X . X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . . . . X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . O . X O . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think this is best?
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Re: #224. graemy vs uriel

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graemy wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm120 Captures: B=0 W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X O . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X X O . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X O . . . . X . X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . . . . . X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . O . X O . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move by Black looks wrong (at a quick glance). Black probably should have chosen the ko variation:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X O . . . . . . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . X X O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X X O . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |[/go]
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Re: #224. graemy vs uriel

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I resign. Thanks for the game graemy, I learned a lot. It's time to stop thrashing around and lie down in my grave. :salute:
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Thank you for the game O: I didn't think you were thrashing, I felt the game was pretty even through most of it. And maybe I'm not too far ahead now? I'm not so sure, counting isn't my strong point, as if to say I have any strong points, haha. Through the game, I felt it hard to keep focus over such a long period, how did you feel about that? Did it affect you at all?

How did you feel about the game?
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It was quite a crazy game from my perspective! I think I played too greedy in a couple circumstances, I was trying to see how much I could get out of these more normal positions. You punished my overplays quite nicely overall I think, but I definitely felt behind for most of the game I think. By my estimation you were probably ahead about 15-25 points unless I managed some miracle life in sente in the top right, since I probably wouldn't have enough threats to win the ko the bottom right. It was really tough for me to keep interested in the game I think, which is mostly why I resigned here (although I do think you'd win if we actually played it out anyways :blackeye: ).

It was a very interesting game, I think I learned a couple things for sure! I've never studied the top right joseki much, I guess I underestimated my position and just went nuts from that point. Even a game as short as ~2 months (I've seen lots of these games go for over a year!) it was tough to stay motivated to read and plan out.

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Yes, I thought it was a crazy game too. I often didn't know where to play next. I felt like I played a little risky as well, haha. Overall, it was fun.
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Yes, it was quite fun, but I'm also a bit relieved it's over ;-). Thanks for the game, graemy, and the comments from all the observers!
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Good game! Thanks.
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