white has to capture black, and one of the solutions is
please explain why is this a solution?
Please help me understand this go problem solution(beginner)
Please help me understand this go problem solution(beginner)
Hi, I'm a beginner and I installed an android app with go problems and solutions, one of the problems is
white has to capture black, and one of the solutions is
please explain why is this a solution?
white has to capture black, and one of the solutions is
please explain why is this a solution?
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Re: Please help me understand this go problem solution(begin
Does not look like a solution - are you sure it is supposed to be one?
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Re: Please help me understand this go problem solution(begin
The first solution is a common net. After that move black cannot get out.
As for the second solution, it doesn't seem to work. It may also be net, but looser and more complicated. As Kageyama teaches in Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go, if there are two options to capture your opponent's stones, always choose the firmer of the two. The first solution should always be played in this situation.
Black 2 seems to be the move to get out. Without the marked black stone it doesn't work because of something like the cross-cut tesuji. Since that black stone is there, however, it does. White 3 doesn't seem to do anything to prevent black from connecting and it doesn't. Black 4 connects back to the marked stone.
If the marked stone is not there here is how the solution works. If black cross-cuts white just captures the black cutting stones.
If black tries to force his way out, white still captures the cutting stones.
As for the second solution, it doesn't seem to work. It may also be net, but looser and more complicated. As Kageyama teaches in Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go, if there are two options to capture your opponent's stones, always choose the firmer of the two. The first solution should always be played in this situation.
Black 2 seems to be the move to get out. Without the marked black stone it doesn't work because of something like the cross-cut tesuji. Since that black stone is there, however, it does. White 3 doesn't seem to do anything to prevent black from connecting and it doesn't. Black 4 connects back to the marked stone.
If the marked stone is not there here is how the solution works. If black cross-cuts white just captures the black cutting stones.
If black tries to force his way out, white still captures the cutting stones.
"You have to walk before you can run. Black 1 was a walking move.
I blushed inwardly to recall the ignorant thoughts that had gone through
my mind before, when I had not realized the true worth of Black 1."
-Kageyama Toshiro on proper moves
I blushed inwardly to recall the ignorant thoughts that had gone through
my mind before, when I had not realized the true worth of Black 1."
-Kageyama Toshiro on proper moves
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Re: Please help me understand this go problem solution(begin
moyoaji wrote:As for the second solution, it doesn't seem to work. It may also be net, but looser and more complicated. As Kageyama teaches in Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go, if there are two options to capture your opponent's stones, always choose the firmer of the two. The first solution should always be played in this situation.
Black 2 seems to be the move to get out. Without the marked black stone it doesn't work because of something like the cross-cut tesuji. Since that black stone is there, however, it does. White 3 doesn't seem to do anything to prevent black from connecting and it doesn't. Black 4 connects back to the marked stone.
but, doesn't
work if white plays 3 at 4 instead?I think
is fine. Its 3 and 4 that are out of order.edit: maybe I'm wrong. It does look more complicated to read.
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Re: Please help me understand this go problem solution(begin
xed_over wrote:but, doesn't
I think
edit: maybe I'm wrong. It does look more complicated to read.
I don't think it works. I tried that and this is what I came up with for black.
Black is out.
EDIT: Bill's solution below is even better. Black is out and white is probably dead on both sides after those white stones die. However, the ladder must work for black.
Last edited by moyoaji on Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:07 pm, edited 2 times in total.
"You have to walk before you can run. Black 1 was a walking move.
I blushed inwardly to recall the ignorant thoughts that had gone through
my mind before, when I had not realized the true worth of Black 1."
-Kageyama Toshiro on proper moves
I blushed inwardly to recall the ignorant thoughts that had gone through
my mind before, when I had not realized the true worth of Black 1."
-Kageyama Toshiro on proper moves
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Re: Please help me understand this go problem solution(begin
The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
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Re: Please help me understand this go problem solution(begin
I don't recognize that Android app. Which is it?
Re: Please help me understand this go problem solution(begin
Drew wrote:I don't recognize that Android app. Which is it?
Hactar Go Lite
Re: Please help me understand this go problem solution(begin
Hi,
Thank you for pointing out the error; wrong variation was mistakenly marked as correct in this problem.
Next update will correct this.
- Lauri
Thank you for pointing out the error; wrong variation was mistakenly marked as correct in this problem.
Next update will correct this.
- Lauri