#211 Adanux vs. tj86430

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[go]$$Bcm87 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . 7 . . 8 X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 6 . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . 5 X O X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Feel free to disregard the trigger if you want to play something else.
I was hoping to play R6 directly without the atari first but if he responds with P6 the sequence will end in gote for me.
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Re: #211 Adanux vs. tj86430

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[go]$$Bcm95 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . 1 O X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X X O X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I almost fell in his trap. I'm hoping there was only one trap.
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[go]$$Bcm95 captures: :w1: :b3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . 1 O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . 2 . O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X X O X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I just did a more detailed count and the game seems reasonably close. I won't go into specifics because I never count in my games (terrible I know) so I'm sure my margin for error is going to be quite high. When you add to that the fact that this game is likely going to end with both of us over 100 points it seems unlikely I'll be able to accurately count the result.
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[go]$$Bcm95 captures: :w1: :b3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . d . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . a . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O . O |
$$ | . . . O . e . . . X . X X O X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . b . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . c X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
a-d are the moves I'm looking at assuming he saves his three stones. I'm leaning heavily towards a since it seems very important for my shape on the left. The alternatives of him playing F6 or E7 look very sad for me so I'm hoping he saves his 3 stones. Assuming I play a, e looks like a nice followup if he doesn't respond to me on the left.
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[go]$$Bcm95 captures: :w1: :b3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 3 O . O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X X O X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I believe these three stones are too valuable to be sacrificed.
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[go]$$Bcm95 captures: :w1: :b3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . 4 . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 3 O . O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X X O X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
This solidifies some points and makes the attachment at F4 start to look really appealing for me. Without this move, he can also do lots of annoying things to reduce my left side. The most basic of which is a play at D6 which forces me to passively connect on the third line. The D6 C6 exchange looks quite good for him because it's a sente reduction that also lets him jump into my potential territory with E8. This is only a basic variation but even it seems too good to let him have.
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[go]$$Bcm95 captures: :w1: :b3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . 5 . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X X O X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Let's see if I can find a way to use the aji left in my dead group. I have no specific plans, but I feel that if I get to play D18 at a carefully selected moment, it may be slightly problematic for my enemy. Or not.

The other option is to play L2/M2, but I think that to have any chance of winning this I need to induce a mistake from my opponent, and playing safe doesn't accomplish that.
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[go]$$Bcm95 captures: :w1: :b3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . 6 5 . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X X O X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Can I keep the corner unconditionally dead? My cursory reading says yes and hopefully I'm right because anything short of that and this game is over.
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[go]$$Bcm01 captures: :w1: :b3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . O X . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X X O X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 1 O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I have to play this now, otherwise he will play something like L2/K1/L3. I'm not sure if this locally the best move, but I found no major flaws.

This is gote of course, but I don't see good alternatives.
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[go]$$Bcm01 captures: :w1: :b3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . O X . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . O . 2 . . . X . X X O X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 1 O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I'm not sure if I'm entitled to kill his D2 stone but my reading so far suggests no. The position seems pretty complicated, but that could just be because I'm over thinking it.
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[go]$$Bcm03 captures: :w1: :b3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . O X . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . O . O 1 . . X . X X O X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I don't think E4 would work, and I can't let him through here. I haven't read nearly all possible continuations, but the ones I read seem to be ok for me.
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