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Offline TKP
 Post subject: Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Post #41 Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:04 pm 
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Hi Handa,

Did you know that you can look here; http://gogameguru.com/baduk-tv-guide/ and here; http://gogameguru.com/pro-go-calendar/ for that sort of information? I find both these pages very useful. Sometimes there will be information on one of them that isn't on the other, so check them both.
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Offline handa711
 Post subject: Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Post #42 Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:08 pm 
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TKP wrote:
Hi Handa,

Did you know that you can look here; http://gogameguru.com/baduk-tv-guide/ and here; http://gogameguru.com/pro-go-calendar/ for that sort of information? I find both these pages very useful. Sometimes there will be information on one of them that isn't on the other, so check them both.

I knew. But last time the game started much earlier than what they said in the TV guide.
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Offline trout
 Post subject: Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Post #43 Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:22 pm 
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handa711 wrote:
anyone know the exact time?

12am EST USA.
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Offline handa711
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Post #44 Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:26 pm 
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They just changed the date to tomorrow...
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Offline trout
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Post #45 Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:57 pm 
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They didn't change date. You have to remember that east Asia is 1 day(14 hours or 13 hours depends on daylight savings time.) ahead USA.
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Offline yoyoma
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Post #46 Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:45 am 
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trout wrote:
handa711 wrote:
anyone know the exact time?

12am EST USA.


Where did you see that? According to this http://baduk.hangame.com/news.nhn it starts Dec 10 at 10am KST. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=20 ... A00+am+kst

Maybe you're talking about the baduk-tv broadcast, http://gogameguru.com/baduk-tv-guide/ it starts at 3pm KST. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2013-12-10+3pm+kst But I think that is 1 hour later than the time you gave.
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Offline trout
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Post #47 Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:49 am 
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Sorry about miss information. It started 8pm EST USA.
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Offline trout
 Post subject: Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Post #48 Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:48 pm 
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1st game,

Tang Weixing defeated Lee Sedol by 0.5.

Next game:10am 12/11,12/12/13(Korea time)
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Offline emeraldemon
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Post #49 Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:10 am 
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Offline emeraldemon
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Post #50 Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:04 pm 
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Game 2 just started, it's streaming on wbaduk and tygem.
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Offline trout
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Post #51 Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:15 pm 
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2nd game,

Tang Weixing defeated Lee Sedol by resign.

Tang Weixing is new Samsung cup Champion and probably will be promoted to 9p.

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Offline emerus
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Post #52 Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:21 am 
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China shuts Korea out in terms of individual tournaments this year. Even Japan even managed to win one!

Interestingly, I believe Korea won every team event.
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Offline Arms Longfellow
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Post #53 Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:23 am 
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There's so many crazy young prodigies in China right now. In 5 years who will stop these guys?
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Offline Uberdude
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Post #54 Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:16 am 
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A very red year:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.j.s ... Table.html

And for every winner it was their first international title (and no one won two). This only happened once before in 2006 (not counting the first year of international tournaments in 1988). Competition from the young-uns is really hotting up! But it remains to be seen how many of these new players have the longevity of the big names like Lee Changho, Cho Hunhyeon, Lee Sedol, Gu Li. Chen Yaoye is perhaps the exception in that he has been a top player for several years and many people would consider his 1st win overdue.


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Offline joppon
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Post #55 Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:34 am 
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This Result has truly shocked me. Is this truly the end of an era? I hope not.

Anyway, I've been following (second to Lee Sedol) the results of Yang Dingxin. He seems to be very strong even at just 15. In the last year and a half he's beaten all of the Chinese players in that list.
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Offline emeraldemon
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Post #56 Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:21 am 
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Judging by Uberdude's table it's the first year since 2006 that Lee Sedol hasn't won a tournament.
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Offline Kirby
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Post #57 Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:27 am 
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Here's the second game:


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Offline Kirby
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Post #58 Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:41 am 
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An interesting position in the second game is here:

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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . C . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X W . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X . . W . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My initial thought was that the marked stones are weak. So I was surprised to see black opt to connect under. I figured it would have been more effective for black to jump out and continue to pressure the white stones, maybe with something like this:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 1 . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, maybe this is because of the weakness of the black stone shape:

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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O B . X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O B . . B . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or maybe it's not acceptable to allow white to damage the left side like this:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 4 X O . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X 6 5 O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 7 2 1 . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 0 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Anyway, I wonder what the best way is for white to fight back, if black were to jump out without getting connected.

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Offline macelee
 Post subject: Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Post #59 Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:58 am 
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This does not work for black.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X . 5 O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 1 . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . 4 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Post #60 Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:02 am 
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Thanks, macelee. Things always seem so simple when someone explains them to you. :-)

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