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Post #1 Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:53 am 
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I will upload two games, maybe someone will find them entertaining enough to review them, or maybe not. They are riddled with mistakes, but maybe you will find something interesting in them, I may even make a review of them later.

PD: I recently started to play more for influence, since a friend kicked my ass just by playing 4th line stones in fuseki (ohmygod!!!), i was amazed, so I tried the same :P, as before i just made shimaris and started to invade... things.




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I'm white (excuse my mistake at 92 please), here black resigned but i don't know why, maybe he didn't wanted to play the ko's or something


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Post #2 Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:10 pm 
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In the second game, black resigned because even if he won the ko, white was basically alive, meaning that black's territory was a chunk of the left side and a few points on the bottom, while white had a huge top right and might be able to kill the top center, along with two more corners and the entire right side.

Regarding the situation, white had a double ko to either live locally or kill the black center stones and live that way, if black played j2. If black fills, white plays k2 to live.


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Post #3 Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:34 pm 
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I played another bloodshed on tygem :D, "enjoy" (I hope)



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Post #4 Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:32 pm 
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This in particular was just insane, i just had to post it:



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Post #5 Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:32 pm 
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In the last game, after White 56 Black's moyō is pretty much ineffective - as a result of Black's greed. It would've been better to let White have the lower sides & corners and in turn attack the lone White stone in the middle of the lower side before White could add another one. That being said, Black 45 would've been better played at, say, h3 or h4 to being an attack the lone White stone. The shoulder hit of Black 57 @ j5 only helped White. After that, it appears that White was applying good tesuji skills.

From White 60 to Black 145 or so it appears that Black was trying to contain or capture White. Not much good came from that.

Avoid playing moves that help your opponent - even if at first it appears to punish whatever mistake your opponent made.

When playing a moyō game, expect your opponent to do two things. One, your opponent will fight a lot and you do not want to get into any pushing battles early in the game, as this will only allow your opponent to turn the moyō into territory. According to the great Takemiya Masaki, the purpose of Cosmic Go is to bring the whole board together. This means that a big territorial framework covers most of the board and, due to its size, cannot be reduced in one fell swoop. Pushing and pushing against a moyō here and there has to be done with time and not too early in the game.

Second, expect, as a result of the attacking player exploiting your weaknesses and gaining sente, to increase the thickness of his influence. This means fighting gets more difficult as the game progresses. Hence, it is important to play solidly and produce good shape in your groups. At least this way it is easier to retain sente and avoid falling behind by having to play gote moves to patch up shape weaknesses, from a global (whole-board) point of view.

Sakata Eiō was known for being able to invade a moyō successfully after taking 3rd line territory. His games are good to replay through and study if you want to know something about dealing with invasions.
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Post #6 Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:21 pm 
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To add to my last post, Black 45 in the last game would've worked well as a late chūban or early yose move. Maybe 5 points were gained from playing Black 45 as in the actual game, so it was too small for the stage of the game at which it was played.

Also, in hindsight I now realize that playing Black 45 at h4 or h3 would've been a bit counterproductive, since the q10 and r10 White stones would've assisted the white group in the center as it ran to safety. A better choice would be either m3, to begin removing the base from the k4 stone, or m4, to begin the pursuit. The black group on the left slide looks stronger, so the attack should flow from right to left. Otherwise, the center white group will link up with the other white group on the upper right and the influence of the black group on the lower right side will evaporate.

Oh, and thanks to the OP for liking my post :D


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Post #7 Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:37 am 
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Thank you tekesta for your opinions, I made some comments if you want to compare the insights =P

Anyway in my opinion without the support stone in K4 for black, the only way to attack the invasion is with K6 and then trying to make influence in the center to invade, since the attack moves of H4 and M4 are too close to thickness to be efficient, white would be happy to run to the center since he has more territory than black.



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Post #8 Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:32 pm 
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Another game on KGS, I played poorly on some parts, in fact I was too scaried of Aji where it wasn't present. I will give a review of it later maybe.



PD: In 186 T10 was the connection under or I'm wrong?, anyway the ko wasn't necessary, i was surprised that he just didn't kill me without ko as it was too easy lol


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Post #9 Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:01 pm 
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At move 186, S9 does not connect, S10 and T10 might connect (depends on how many liberties b can get after S9 cut), but T9 appears do the trick.


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Post #10 Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:27 am 
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Another weird game on Tygem, this time I played veery poorly and got a lucky win, 147 for example may be my worst move ever done in all my life. Also in 31 I should have played Q11

I tried 5-4 but I think I oriented them in a bad way



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Post #11 Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:34 am 
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If you're playing :b37: over the small knight's move, how come you didn't crosscut at :b39:?

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Post #12 Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:26 am 
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Didn't knew the joseki, I played lightly because I thought with the wall at the other side I could have some backup in a fight. After checking josekipedia I understand that the jump is used to start a fight :P

I played another game in KGS, this time I lost, i was so much out of focus when I attacked, in fact if someone watch this one I would ask how I could have attacked both groups more severely starting on 32. (this guy wasn't 2 kyu anyway heh)



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