Hello,
In my playing, I mainly play small moves like theses :
or
I'm award that playing too many of these small moves is inefficent... but I have difficulties playing larger move, by fear of being cut...
So I play some kind of "too strong structures" which "often" lives but without making enough points for me to win the game.
I don't know where to start to improve this... are there topics that may help me ? thx
Playing larger moves
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Playing larger moves
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Hi oca, it is very difficult to talk about this in the abstract or in general.
For example, you can start by studying this basic 2-space jump, on the 3rd line.
Homework 1: Can W cut this jump ? Homework 2: study this joseki. Notice the shapes you asked about:
the keima [
- 
], the keima [ 
- 
], the 2-space jump [ - 
] --
For example, you can start by studying this basic 2-space jump, on the 3rd line.
Homework 1: Can W cut this jump ? Homework 2: study this joseki. Notice the shapes you asked about:
the keima [
- ], the keima [ - ], the 2-space jump [ - ] --
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Re: Playing larger moves
I went through a phase where I played small connected moves. The problem is that larger moves aren't necessarily connected, furthermore there are more tesuji involved with larger moves, since there are more ways to cut, so it becomes difficult to pick the appropriate move, since there are so many possible outcomes.
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Whow thanks ! I did my best to cut but I didn't succeded in a situation that close to the border. is there a way to cut for white ?EdLee wrote:Homework 1: Can W cut this jump ?
tried a lot of variants, my best try being this one
I will study the joseki now...
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Re: Playing larger moves
There's the classic advice of doing go problems. That can teach you tesuji involved in cutting or connecting your stones when they're farther apart. If you can read that your stones are safe for the moment, you can be more confident playing the larger jumps.
Go Teaching Ladder is a great resource for seeing amateur games with comments by stronger players. See how players above your rank use small and large jumps, when it works and when it fails.
Finally, it might be helpful to think about it this way: If you play very safely, your opponent gets ahead just playing normal moves. If you play moderately aggressively, you've created opportunities for your opponent to cut and kill your groups. But, you're making him find strong moves to pull off the attack. You're giving him the opportunity to overplay and fall behind. It's better for your opponent to kill your stones, but really have to work for the kills, then for him to stroll easily to a small win.
Go Teaching Ladder is a great resource for seeing amateur games with comments by stronger players. See how players above your rank use small and large jumps, when it works and when it fails.
Finally, it might be helpful to think about it this way: If you play very safely, your opponent gets ahead just playing normal moves. If you play moderately aggressively, you've created opportunities for your opponent to cut and kill your groups. But, you're making him find strong moves to pull off the attack. You're giving him the opportunity to overplay and fall behind. It's better for your opponent to kill your stones, but really have to work for the kills, then for him to stroll easily to a small win.
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Re: Playing larger moves
Thanks EdLee, here is my second try...
for I will set a ladder...
and for
, force white to crawl to get a big wall in return.
is that correct ?
To paloma :
Thanks for the detailed answer
BTW : I'm totally amazed by the quality of replies on this forum... really outstanding
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I will set a ladder...and for
, force white to crawl to get a big wall in return.is that correct ?
To paloma :
Thanks for the detailed answer
BTW : I'm totally amazed by the quality of replies on this forum... really outstanding
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No.oca wrote:for
Every move you make must have a purpose. (If it has more than one purpose, even better.)
What are you trying to do here ? What is the original question ?
( What does the ladder have to do with the original question ? )
If B plays
as you did above, what is W's correct 
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Re: Playing larger moves
Atari atIf B plays
I suppose... and neither a nor b would really help me that much as the marked stone seem to became weak Yes I agree, wrong direction... back to assuming a larger move and connecting the two stones to get a base.What are you trying to do here ? What is the original question ?
What does the ladder have to do with the original question ?
I think
and 
just died this way, but I was first a bit worried about at "a" that's why I play
there in my first try.but now I think I can handle it. may be something like that (small moves again but ok in that situation I suppose...)
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Correct. By "weak" you mean "dead" in this case, becauseoca wrote:Atari at
kills 
-- this is why above is wrong. has nothing to do with the original question: can W cut the 2-space jump ?The
atari above is the only move for W, not the second-line turn in your original variation:
oca wrote:
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Re: Playing larger moves
Not OK. What is the purpose of
and was the only moves I found to save both the marked stone and menaced by a ladder at (a).I suppose both white stones are now saved as I think black is forced to play (b)
[edit]full wrong, can't save both groupes after black at (b)...[edit]
I tried that too but seems that white cannot save both
and: 
in this variante when black plays But maybe I'm just too focused on saving stones...
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Re: Playing larger moves
The key thing you should do is count liberties. With the correct block for 6 white's two cutting stones only have 2 liberties and all of yours have more. So if your stones get in danger you can capture the white cutting stones to connect all your stones together. So for 4 above it might be even better to laugh in white's face and tenuki, though your 4 is a nice thick move which reduces opportunities for white to get some useful forcing moves in exchange for his dead stones.