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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Post #61 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:17 am 
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This is a dangerous way for white to play. Assuming black connects at H4, white then has to worry about the wedges. F4 or F6 can both be played to cut through. Can white defend against the wedge in sente? If so, I can't see a way. I am also 1k, so I'm assuming dts will be aware of that too.


I assume White's aiming at K3 if Black doesn't take it, and then J7 .. I'd play K3 as Black here, that lower right White group is still vulnerable, and the wedge weaknesses only grow if White tries to push and cut through H4.
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Post #62 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:22 am 
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i have no idea what is the right move. usually i spend at least 1 hour to find the best move but this is too complicated and 1 hour will not be enough to find the answer.
i just played my first instinct.
if he block i will cut. then...at the end..can i cut at "a"??
i dont see why not...but i have a bad feeling on that cut..i must read more later.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X a . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 3 O W X . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X 1 2 . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline ethanb
 Post subject: Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Post #63 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:28 am 
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i have no idea what is the right move. usually i spend at least 1 hour to find the best move but this is too complicated and 1 hour will not be enough to find the answer.
i just played my first instinct.
if he block i will cut. then...at the end..can i cut at "a"??
i dont see why not...but i have a bad feeling on that cut..i must read more later.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X a . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 3 O W X . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X 1 2 . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is why Magicwand has a bad feeling about it - white is in serious trouble if he cuts immediately.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X W . 4 . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O 2 O 3 X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . 1 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O O X . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No matter how white connects with 2, after 3 he can't move any faster than the empty triangle, or something gets captured. Even with the empty triangle, it's tough to escape, and black can easily turn to cutting on the left side.
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Offline daniel_the_smith
 Post subject: Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Post #64 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:02 am 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X B . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is the only move that makes any sense. I am not sure if I will have to give something up or if I can keep everything. I expect him to play L3 next, but I've been wrong about what he'll play for the last few moves.

I considered both L3 and H4 so as not to blindly follow my first instinct. L3 seems to lead to a capturing race that I will lose. H4 seems to miss the point, I have to keep white separated.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #65 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:59 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X W . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #66 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:31 pm 
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This next move is going to take me a while...

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Offline Kerby
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Post #67 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:58 pm 
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My sealed move/sequence:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O 4 . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X 1 . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O 2 O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 3 O O X . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Edit:
I missed that B can directly cut at F6 and connect out. So on second thought if Magicwand really wants to cut I think it will be hard on him:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X 2 . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . 3 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 1 O O X . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #68 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:01 am 
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Sorry this is taking so long. I'm still thinking about it. I think I've spent more thinking time on this move than I ever have on a single move before...

Moves I'm thinking about, in the order I thought of them:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X d . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . b a . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . c O O X . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O e . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


(a) is my first instinct. I haven't managed to read it out all the way yet. It doesn't seem like it is going to work. White can respond at b, which makes life difficult.

(b) seems to let me sacrifice some stones to make a moyo in gote.

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[go]$$Wc (b): I might have to live with this, but it'd be much better if it were sente.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . 0 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X 4 . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O 9 O 6 X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X 3 B 1 7 5 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 8 O O X 2 X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


(c) is not needed at the moment because white can't push through immediately:

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[go]$$Wc White can't do this currently, so I don't need to defend
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . 4 . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 2 1 O O X . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O 3 X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


(d) I haven't read much of yet.

(e) I'm 85% sure this just fails.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #69 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:02 am 
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daniel_the_smith wrote:
Sorry this is taking so long. I'm still thinking about it. I think I've spent more thinking time on this move than I ever have on a single move before...


take much time as you need. i am always here...

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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #70 Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:24 pm 
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I'll probably be able to move tomorrow. In the meantime, some thoughts for observers...

This is getting easier to read after staring at it for three days. :)

OK, so one additional starting move:

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[go]$$Bc White's liberty shortage keeps him from playing H4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X 5 . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . 3 4 1 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X 2 X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't really like that though, because :b1: looks weird.

In fact, if I start at :b5:, I think this is the result:

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[go]$$Bc White's liberty shortage again keeps him from playing H4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X 1 . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . 3 4 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X 2 X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have sente, and N5 would not be a good use of it, so we can rule out my first diagram. :w2: @ :b3: produces a similar result.

Back to my first instinct move:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X a . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O 2 O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . 1 b . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 3 W W X . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White can play (a) to capture :bc: while I get :wc:, or white can play (b) to get a result like the previous diagram only I have gote. I think.

Right now it's looking like my middle diagram is best, but I'm not quite ready to play it yet.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X B . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hopefully he plays as I read in my last post.

I read out one final move before choosing this one.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X a . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . b 1 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . c O O X . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White at (a) leads to a complicated fight and liberty race, but white at (b) lets him either capture a stone or cut at (c), so this move is out.

Hopefully I did not miss something obvious. I would really like to capture those white stones in the middle but I don't think it's possible. Will be curious to see what the stronger players think of this sequence after the game...

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Post #72 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:22 am 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X W X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i actually thought about tenuki for second..because i want to go somewhere more urgent...i will show everyone after few moves.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . B . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This defends the cut in sente. I'm a little concerned that maybe I should fix it directly (in gote) to get more chances to slice those white one point jumps. But sente is incredibly valuable.

Here's why it fixes the cut:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . 6 B 1 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 4 3 O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O 5 X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


...so white has to play :w5: @ :b6: giving me time to connect at :w5:.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . X W . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
where is he going to play now???

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I presume you had a good reason not to just protect at h4 yourself instead?
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@topazg:
It was gote.

As it is now I can play anywhere I want. Choices, choices...

I was going to use my sente to play around L8 but now I'm wondering if there's anything better...

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@daniel:

daniel_the_smith wrote:
It was gote.


Really? Surely if it was to make sure you protected that cut, then protecting that cut is sente because you then threaten to extend...?
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No, because my follow-up isn't large enough:

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[go]$$Bc White doesn't care about those two stones
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O 6 X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . 5 3 4 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 1 O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:b3: is medium-big endgame... Only way it might be sente now is because it gets me an eye, but I don't see myself dying so I don't think that's a good enough reason.


EDIT:
And besides, I can always play :b1: above and it will be just as sente as it was a move ago... So I might yet get it.

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If it's gote then, what you played is kinda gote too I think. I'd rather leave that for him to capture than H4 for him to get, he can still cut on whichever side you don't connect ..
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O a X . 5 B 1 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 4 3 O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O 6 X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He can't cut at (a) because I can push through and take a lot of points on the bottom.

Admittedly there is aji for him my way.

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