The only reason Chess is cool.

All non-Go discussions should go here.
Suji
Lives in gote
Posts: 302
Joined: Wed May 19, 2010 2:25 pm
Rank: DDK
GD Posts: 0
KGS: Sujisan 12 kyu
OGS: Sujisan 13 kyu
Has thanked: 70 times
Been thanked: 8 times

Re: The only reason Chess is cool.

Post by Suji »

Gresil wrote:
Suji wrote:Another advantage of chess, is that professional games are easier to find. As an example, http://www.chessgames.com has over 554,000 chess games and nearly all of the most recent games. Older games are as complete as they can be. Sure some older games are missing, but that's just the nature of the beast. I've often wondered if a site like Chessgames.com could easily be transferred to Go. Meaning, could one build a site just like it for Go instead of Chess.


From the point of view of one hobbyist studying a board game, pray tell, what is the difference between 554,000 games (Chessgames) and 60,350 games (GoGoD)? How many hundred games do you study in a week?


Gresil, that's a difference of 493,650 games. :lol:

In all seriousness, for me, there is probably no difference in reference to the size of the two databases. You could get by with either.

I don't really study games. I may run through 5 or 6 go games really quickly. I don't do this regularly, though. With chess it can be up to 30+ games when I want to. I don't really study them, I just go through them in about 5 minutes.

tchan001 wrote:
Suji wrote:Another advantage of chess, is that professional games are easier to find. As an example, http://www.chessgames.com has over 554,000 chess games and nearly all of the most recent games. Older games are as complete as they can be. Sure some older games are missing, but that's just the nature of the beast. I've often wondered if a site like Chessgames.com could easily be transferred to Go. Meaning, could one build a site just like it for Go instead of Chess.


I don't know if all 554,000 chess games at the website are "professional games". According to the FAQ of chessgames.com, one of the sources of the games is the British Chess Game Archive. And this archive specifically says that it "is a national archive of British chess tournament games". I doubt all the participants of British chess tournament games are professionals.

If therefore it is mainly a database of strong chess players, then it would make sense to compare it with the BiGo Assistant Full Edition Databases (http://bigo.baduk.org/assistant_databases.html#Full) which advertises "Go game records database includes about 1 995 000 Go games records of strong (5 dan), very strong (6-7 dan) amateurs and professionals (about 62 000 games with at least one pro player). There are very few games of weak players."

Not the cheapest go database in the world but if quantity is what someone like dfan is looking for with a larger dataset of games when studying openings, then this might be just the database to buy.


No, not all are professional games. Are there any good Go databases that are free?
My plan to become an SDK is here.
User avatar
tchan001
Gosei
Posts: 1582
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:44 pm
GD Posts: 1292
Location: Hong Kong
Has thanked: 54 times
Been thanked: 534 times
Contact:

Re: The only reason Chess is cool.

Post by tchan001 »

Moyogo is now freeware and has over 57 thousand pro games. Not everyone agrees with the opinions of the author of Moyogo about other things he has a passion for, but when it comes to a great program that is freeware with a large database, Moyogo is very attractive.
http://tchan001.wordpress.com
A blog on Asian go books, go sightings, and interesting tidbits
Go is such a beautiful game.
lorill
Lives with ko
Posts: 281
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:03 am
Rank: yes
GD Posts: 0
Location: France
Has thanked: 69 times
Been thanked: 25 times

Re: The only reason Chess is cool.

Post by lorill »

Suji wrote: Are there any good Go databases that are free?

Yes :
http://sites.google.com/site/byheartgo/

(follow the link "42784 pro games")
lorill
Lives with ko
Posts: 281
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:03 am
Rank: yes
GD Posts: 0
Location: France
Has thanked: 69 times
Been thanked: 25 times

Re: The only reason Chess is cool.

Post by lorill »

I have absolutely no idea, but remember having found it on sensei's, so I assume it's ok ?

Edit: if it isn't, or if unsure, a mod can remove my two messages.
User avatar
Redbeard
Lives with ko
Posts: 269
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:56 am
Rank: AGA 12k
GD Posts: 292
KGS: RedBeard
DGS: Akahige
Location: Seattle
Has thanked: 127 times
Been thanked: 123 times
Contact:

Re: The only reason Chess is cool.

Post by Redbeard »

I don't want to start a large argument (again ;)) but if you are looking for a database of games, please buy a copy of GoGod. It is a fantastic resource and you will support the work of Mark and John to continue adding games to the database and researching the fascinating history of Go in general.

I do not care to discuss the copyright of SGF files or who "borrowed" which game database where. What I do care about is that the GoGod project get the recognition it deserves and continues for many years to come. Please support it.
Post Reply