Here is the rotor, which was quite easy but a lot of fun, it forced me to play more agressivly then I normaly do.


and the "HI" one which was way more difficult for me... but finish with a nice ladder and net
I finally won but I had to play the "back" button a few times

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The key for comparison is that white has to be strong enough to give 9 stones in the first place. I'd be happy to take a stab as white to try a few games with the various openings. 9 stones might not be the correct handicap between us, but I think it may be more illustrative than games against SmartGo.

@DrStraw: You may be right, I suspect I can probably play the average pro with 6-8 stones (ignoring the young pros who are very very close to top level when they qualified). You are probably stronger than me on regular time as I play a lot of blitz. On the other hand, I think also that pros generally don't play the type of bullying moves required for high handicap games - I've heard of a Chinese amateur 7d (i.e. someone who has performed very well at national-level amateur tournaments - stronger than the average KGS 9d) being beaten down to 5 stones by 宋雪林 9p (who, incidentally, lost against Yu Zhiying when she was 13).

Fantastic ! maybe we can start with this one, it's ten stones... is it ok for you ?

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$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Sure. Would you prefer a malkovich or a game on OGS instead (that way if we are both on we can play at a real-time pace)?

Sure. Would you prefer a malkovich or a game on OGS instead (that way if we are both on we can play at a real-time pace)?

If I could place the 9 stones where I wanted, I would do this:

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
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$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . B . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

(Why doesn't my code have a top border?)

top border cannot be on the first line which is for comment
you need something like that :

[go]$$ the first line is for comments
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |

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I would prefer a malkovich, as I have plenty of time, but not in one block (other said, I have two children... )

Could you set it up ? I don't know the exact procedure yet...

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That helped. What do you think about my 9 stone handicap idea?

I like it, it is really close to what I did against the guy who let me play the game.
but I lose the game as he was able to kill a big group of my stones... still a very strong one I think

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OGS should work the best in that case as we can set it up to 1 day per move with max time 7 days (i.e. you will generally have a week to make a move, but must on average play at least 1 move per day). It's also just easier to play on it compared to the Malkovich format on the forum (and in fact, it supports Malkovich comments visible to observers).

oh... ok, if it's not real time for the whole game, that would be perfect then...
Just to be sure, OGS is this one right ?
http://online-go.com/games

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code

[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X X X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

My guess is that this is roughly even.

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Everything with love. Stay safe.

Yep, exactly it Feel free to send a challenge (same username - illluck) with the time setting you prefer (I recommend Fischer timing with 7 days max and 1 day increment per move).

I'm training but I dont find any illuck
I m ocarnal do you see me ?

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Challenge sent Everyone misspells my username (it's with 3 l's) :p

Game started!

http://online-go.com/game/579811

I'll be making use of the Malkovich log to jot down my thoughts (recommend Oca to do the same), comments from observers are also welcome!

Thanks, Bill.

Watching this game really shows how much I've learned to view white as the stronger player. So confusing. XD

Game has ended. http://online-go.com/game/579811

I made fairly extensive use of the Malkovich log to outline my thoughts around what I believe to be the most interesting areas. I'm at work, but will give a brief overview of the game from my prospective when I'm back home later today

Thanks for the game, Oca, it was interesting. Are you interested in some other configurations?