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Post #21 Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:14 am 
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Thanks daal, I don't think the current version will have many more. I have ~ 300 or 400, probably my collection (shared by a friend who searched all over the web many years ago, so technically is *his* collection) probably overlaps with these.

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Post #22 Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:04 am 
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I am also interested in the fate of the extra material that was on the disks of yore.

I was actually looking to buy a copy, today, and discovered the fate of GoGoD while struggling to find the site but I was looking to buy it specifically for the non-SGF material - the encyclopaedia, articles and wot-not - and hoping for game records as a bonus.

I see I missed the boat.

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Post #23 Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:15 pm 
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I am also interested in the fate of the extra material that was on the disks of yore.

I was actually looking to buy a copy, today, and discovered the fate of GoGoD while struggling to find the site but I was looking to buy it specifically for the non-SGF material - the encyclopaedia, articles and wot-not - and hoping for game records as a bonus.

I see I missed the boat.

Which brings me to my question.

Is that material still available somewhere? I understand that it is not part of GoGoD anymore, which is fine, but its a lot of good stuff, and even if it is not updated anymore, why not sell/distribute/give it separately then? As a static content, with no updates, just pay, download, and enjoy. I think this would be sweet and would help whoever is running the show financially as well. Even if not many buy it, there is almost no overhead so its all pure profit pretty much. So why not?

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Post #24 Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:27 pm 
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Maybe GoGoD CDs will become collector's items. I think I have a few copies lying around somewhere...

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Post #25 Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:48 pm 
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Maybe GoGoD CDs will become collector's items. I think I have a few copies lying around somewhere...

Nah. If they stop selling/distributing it, somebody'll put it on a torrent somewhere. Mark my words.

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Post #26 Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:50 pm 
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Is that material still available somewhere? I understand that it is not part of GoGoD anymore, which is fine, but its a lot of good stuff, and even if it is not updated anymore, why not sell/distribute/give it separately then? As a static content, with no updates, just pay, download, and enjoy. I think this would be sweet and would help whoever is running the show financially as well. Even if not many buy it, there is almost no overhead so its all pure profit pretty much. So why not?


It IS still part of GoGoD, and still copyrighted. It's just not available online at present as I gave priority to the database.

However, I am in fact making use of it myself, by preparing books from the material, which involves adding, updating and correcting - hence our strapline "From the GoGoD Archives" - and so prefer unupdated/uncorrected data to be left to stew and not act as a spoiler. Also, one important part of it, the Names Dictionary, is being updated and made available already via SmartGo Kifu (and I believe Anders has his eye on other material such as the tournament data.)

In addition, big chunks have been available for some time in The Go Companion, The Go Consultants, Gateway To All Marvels, etc, in paper and/or digital form.

Hence I have no immediate plans to put it back online. Another simple reason, of course, is:

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Post #27 Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:29 pm 
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Maybe GoGoD CDs will become collector's items. I think I have a few copies lying around somewhere...

Nah. If they stop selling/distributing it, somebody'll put it on a torrent somewhere. Mark my words.


Yes, but the more ethical among us may still like to collect the legit version. My point was more that if you can't buy it any more those of us with surplus copies may be persuaded to give/sell them to those who want it.


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Post #28 Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:29 am 
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Maybe GoGoD CDs will become collector's items. I think I have a few copies lying around somewhere...

Nah. If they stop selling/distributing it, somebody'll put it on a torrent somewhere. Mark my words.


Yes, but the more ethical among us may still like to collect the legit version. My point was more that if you can't buy it any more those of us with surplus copies may be persuaded to give/sell them to those who want it.


My biggest incentive to purchase GoGoD when I found the site dead was the side content. So... Agree.

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Post #29 Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 3:57 am 
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Hi!
First i have to say: I`m a big fan of the Gogod project and of all those related books like Kamakura etc. ... and i`m very happy that i own a CD ... yesterday i decided to purchase the newest version of the SGF Databse ... at http://gogodonline.co.uk/

First as a feedback for John Fairbarn: the website is not working very good!
I`m on a mac with newest OSx and i did tried it with Crhome AND Firefox ... it took me 10 minutes, and some attempts to finally get to the "shopping basket" section... i was clicking on the "click here to download now only 15 USD" button ... but nothing happened.
After some time it worked ... but that was really strange behaviour, people might go away before that... thinking: "oh, the site does not work" ... it was just before i decided to stop trying and leave te page when it suddenly did work...


Second: I made the payment via Paypal and there it was abd is still saying (after purchase history login) at GoGoD Website now:

Click the big blue button below to download your purchase!


But there is no big blue button below, and i can`t download the database ... that is really sad, and you should improve the website ... and maybe giving me a chance to get, finally, the database downloaded ... but i will wait until then... :-|
So all the best to you and your go projects!
Hope you will improve the website ... (will give you more happy customers ;-) )

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Post #30 Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 1:15 am 
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Thanks for reporting this.

I am told the problem appears to be that the server is running out of memory. This requires an upgrade, and so the site has been taken down for a short while to allow this to happen.

I won't pretend to know more than this, but I can tell that the workshop edition of the database now has 80,280 games. Next issue planned for end-June.

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Post #31 Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 1:32 am 
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John, make sure your webmaster is competent enough. A site like Go4Go, which is significantly more sophisticated than your site, can happily live with 64 MB memory and share a busy server with many other websites. If you need assistance I am sure many on this forum can help.

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Post #32 Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 2:44 am 
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Indeed. Also, from what I can gather gogodonline.co.uk is "just" a wordpress site. Wordpress shouldn't be running out of memory out of the blue (if it did some of the biggest sites in the world would be down for maintenance once a week or so), if this is the case either some plugin is broken or your webmaster coded something very wrongly in there. There are not that many more options.

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Post #33 Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 10:50 am 
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gogodonline.co.uk is now back up and running much faster, having been tested on a wide variety of browsers (it says here).

I'm sure you'll let us know if there are still problems. Thank you for your patience.


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Post #34 Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 1:22 pm 
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John Fairbairn wrote:
gogodonline.co.uk is now back up and running much faster, having been tested on a wide variety of browsers (it says here).

http://gogodonline.co.uk for clickability … yes, fast enough for me certainly, thank you.

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Post #35 Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 1:30 pm 
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gogodonline.co.uk is now back up and running much faster, having been tested on a wide variety of browsers (it says here).

I'm sure you'll let us know if there are still problems. Thank you for your patience.


John, could you tell your designer to (maybe, if possible) rethink the design behind the "Click here to download Now only 15" big button? It looks terribly similar to one of the default AdSense styles, so my mental "ad avoider" mode skips over it every time I check the page. I'm relatively sure to not be the only one to have this reflex.

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Post #36 Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:51 pm 
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Okay, question time - and I hope I don't seem to silly asking this. If I own Smartgo Kifu is this even worth getting? What are the file formats once downloaded - just loads of sgf files? Also, once purchased if content is added are you allowed to download again? or update some how.

Just curious, its something that has peaked my interest and I want to make sure what I'm getting before I buy.

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Post #37 Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:30 am 
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Okay, question time - and I hope I don't seem to silly asking this. If I own Smartgo Kifu is this even worth getting? What are the file formats once downloaded - just loads of sgf files? Also, once purchased if content is added are you allowed to download again? or update some how.


I never use Smartgo Kifu, even though I have it, so I can't comment on that. But the GoGoD download is essentially just sgf files (the New In Go html archive and the Names html dictionary were added to the latest edition, but see that as just dollops of icing). You can use those sgf files in free programs such as Kombilo or Drago to do pattern searches, or if you write your own software.

To get updates you need to buy a new edition (currently available twice a year). There is a FAQ on the site with more details.

However, I may drop the site soon. The split between sales via SmartGo and the site is over 99:1 in favour of SmartGo, which may answer your question anyway. The android/windows versions of SmartGo (on the way or here already? - I don't keep track) will make that refocusing even more likely.

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Post #38 Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:15 am 
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Indeed. Also, from what I can gather gogodonline.co.uk is "just" a wordpress site. Wordpress shouldn't be running out of memory out of the blue (if it did some of the biggest sites in the world would be down for maintenance once a week or so), if this is the case either some plugin is broken or your webmaster coded something very wrongly in there. There are not that many more options.


(This feels like half threadnecromancy)

Acctually as my work do host some wordpress sites with heavy traffic flow we need to cache data and have split servers due to the amount of load. I guess that all the big names do so (although personally I mostly work with Drupal at the moment and that really really really needs a few app servers and good caching. I so miss Perl but writeing that seems to not pay the bills)

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Post #39 Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:01 am 
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However, I may drop the site soon. The split between sales via SmartGo and the site is over 99:1 in favour of SmartGo, which may answer your question anyway. The android/windows versions of SmartGo (on the way or here already? - I don't keep track) will make that refocusing even more likely.

I can understand the reasoning behind this, but I know I will miss the nutritional value of your “New In Go” column. For me, this wonderful Go feuilleton (together with wanting to support your work) was reason enough to purchase the GoGoD Summer 2014 edition even though I already have (and use, and love) SmartGo Kifu.

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Post #40 Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:13 am 
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John Fairbairn wrote:
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However, I may drop the site soon. The split between sales via SmartGo and the site is over 99:1 in favour of SmartGo, which may answer your question anyway. The android/windows versions of SmartGo (on the way or here already? - I don't keep track) will make that refocusing even more likely.

I may be the only one, but it will break my heart when this happens. So far at least, direct access to the sgf files (OK, via kombilo) is much more powerful and flexible than SmartGo kifu. The end of an era IMHO. :sad:

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