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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #61 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:14 am 
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I like this last move. Fixing White's group, chasing Black's, and trying to set up as good as possible a situation to pincer that lower right approach stone.
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Offline fwiffo
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Post #62 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:18 am 
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I agree. Black has some distance to swim before getting air. I wouldn't mind at all being white on this board.
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[go]$$W A little more chase and...
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . W , W . W . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 2 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Something like this?

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Offline unkx80
 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #63 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:41 am 
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Agreed too.

When I look at the moves, I somehow feel that both players are of the same strength?

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #64 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:45 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I will play here first to see how he responds...

I think that I am losing. I wonder why I do so bad with Malkovich games...

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #65 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , W . O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , W 1 O 6 O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O 2 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I am not afraid of this sort of thing, especially when I have tricky stuff around 'a' and 'b' if I need an emergency eye.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 3 O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 4 O 2 X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 X 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 W 7 O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think the best he can do is capture G10, which lets both of us get some breathing room.

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #66 Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:19 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O B X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think he should have played d10.

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #67 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:29 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O W X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 4 at 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 3 O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 O W X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O B X b . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a O . O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I was a little concerned about liberties here, but a and be seem to be miai to connect out. Still going with my prior diagram, until I find something better.

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #68 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:35 am 
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What on earth was that ?! :o

I think D9 was the only move really there (connects and helps the run to the middle)

Now Black has a group escape with the wedge at H10
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Offline SpongeBob
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Post #69 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:58 am 
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Kirby wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a B . . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Another strange looking move by Kirby. Without thinking, just by looking at it, this cannot be correct, I would say. I think at a would be better.

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #70 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:34 am 
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Sometimes I chuckle when Malkovich players talk about how hidden comments are scary. But... these comments are scary.

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Offline unkx80
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Post #71 Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:36 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . a O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O 2 X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 X b . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Both moves are bad moves. The two white stones are way too small to capture or save.

From the capturing point of view, consider that black will spend 10 moves (including a move at a) just to capture the two white stones.

From the saving point of view, even though white can save them, black will connect at b in sente, considerably weakening the outside white group.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #72 Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:10 pm 
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I resign. Thank you for the game, Chew Terr. I am going to take a break from here for awhile.

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #73 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:03 am 
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Thank you very much for the game. It was a pleasure to play someone as strong as yourself. I felt like every time I read a sequence, you always pulled out moves that ended just a bit better for you than any of my sequences. Which was scary, because most of my sequences were intended to end about evenly, or with my stones alive. I understand the feeling of burn-out, and if you wish to play another game after you return here more, let me know. Trying to read deeply enough to keep up was great practice.

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