Go and Negotiation

[Actorios]

Hello,
I'm looking for books / articles (online or print) relative to "go and negotiation" (similarities between both activities, go as a model to negotiate).
Would you know of any good sources relative to that aspect?

Many thanks in advance,

[EdLee]

Interesting, I wonder if game theory people have something to say about it.

[Abyssinica]

I can talk with my hands.

[Krama]

Would you care to elaborate the question even further? I am having a hard time understanding the connection between the two.

[John Fairbairn]

I'm usually unwilling to answer questions from people who don't explain why they want to know, but as a way of putting off transcribing a game with 240 moves on one diagram with faded Chinese numerals, I'll toss out Troy Andersons' "The Way of Go" and Miura Yasuyuki's "Go and Asian paradigm for business strategy" as your starter for ten.

[Aidoneus]

Perhaps this article from Forbes http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/20 ... -ron-paul/
and this comment on the article by Peter Shotwell http://www.usgo.org/files/bh_library/originsapdxVII.pdf
will interest you.

[Actorios]

I'm usually unwilling to answer questions from people who don't explain why they want to know, but as a way of putting off transcribing a game with 240 moves on one diagram with faded Chinese numerals, I'll toss out Troy Andersons' "The Way of Go" and Miura Yasuyuki's "Go and Asian paradigm for business strategy" as your starter for ten.

Thank you for your response.

I didn't think the background was so important but I'm glad to share it. I could give three reasons:
The question mainly relates to a recent discussion I had with a friend working in trading who learnt about the game of go in relationship to sales negotiation.
He was interesting to learn about the game and I wanted to bridge his interest with the game.
That's one reason, another is that my job requires also some negotiation and as a side-interest, I was interested how it would connect to the game of go.
Finally, my brother had and experience in relation to the game of go twenty years from now or so. He could see that a job interview he did could be looked at in terms of go terms (in the way some questions "enclosed him" in the responses he could provide).

There are quite a few consulting companies in France which provide sales/management training in connection to go. That's probably as much as I could identify so far.
This, plus a few references in negotiation books in French (usually very sporadic).

I do own Troy Anderson's book. I've heard of the other one but didn't have a chance to read it.

[Actorios]

Would you care to elaborate the question even further? I am having a hard time understanding the connection between the two.

I guess my statement above already clarify a little bit the topic.
I'd be curious to know if some people did the parallel between typical negotiation techniques and go practice, selling/purchasing attitudes, strategies...
Some books make interesting connection between topics like Golden Opportunities (go and history) or 36 stratagems applied to go, I was wondering if some people covered this field in writing...

[daal]

In a negotiation, the person who names the price first is at a disadvantage. This might correlate a bit to the idea of playing a probe in order to get one's opponent to say what he wants.

[Bill Spight]

Well, go is a zero sum game, while most negotiations in real life are positive sum games. And while there may be some transfer between the two, I think that that is a huge difference. Go is a game of trade-offs, but it is purely competitive, aside from the social aspects, while negotiation typically involves both competition and cooperation.

[Bill Spight]

In a negotiation, the person who names the price first is at a disadvantage. This might correlate a bit to the idea of playing a probe in order to get one's opponent to say what he wants.

Or to filling your own territory.

[ez4u]

Even in positive sum games the negotiation is typically about the relative sizes of the two 'wins' in that 'win-win'. The person who makes the first offer will anchor the negotiation around the level of their choice - a big advantage if they understand what is going on.

[daal]

Even in positive sum games the negotiation is typically about the relative sizes of the two 'wins' in that 'win-win'. The person who makes the first offer will anchor the negotiation around the level of their choice - a big advantage if they understand what is going on.

The linked article wasn't the one about anchoring negotiations, but the the 2 systems of thought as well as the idea of cognitive illusions that Kahneman discusses in the interview that appeared, "thinking fast vs. thinking slow," are also excellent metaphors for go.

[ez4u]

The linked article is the one on anchoring and negotiation (7th video). However, the page automatically keeps cycling through the 10 short videos by Daniel Kahneman so don't go away to fix a cup of tea! I agree that much of what he is talking about is (or is potentially) applicable to all of us when we play Go.

[Unusedname]

Well, go is a zero sum game, while most negotiations in real life are positive sum games. And while there may be some transfer between the two, I think that that is a huge difference. Go is a game of trade-offs, but it is purely competitive, aside from the social aspects, while negotiation typically involves both competition and cooperation.

So then go is more like a scam than a negotiation.

Either you strong arm somebody into taking less then they wanted.

Or you give them what they wanted and you're both happy.
Except your opponent is only happy because he doesn't realize you swindled him.
Because you have inside information that the influence you just gave him is going to be negated soon by your reduction on the other side of the board.