Judicata(b) vs. Jordus(w) Boardz game continuation

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Judicata(b) vs. Jordus(w) Boardz game continuation

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sgf so far...

*edit* fixed sgf



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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O W . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . X . O . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X . . X . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . O . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . O . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . . . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . , . . X X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . O . O . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Judicata(b) vs. Jordus(w) Boardz game continuation

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Thanks for posting this up here, Jordus. Especially considering that Boardz doesn't let you send sgf files (that I know of anyway).

I will try to post my move this evening.
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Re: Judicata(b) vs. Jordus(w) Boardz game continuation

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I fixed the sgf in the game above. It was broken and only displayed the first 15 moves for some reason....
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Re: Judicata(b) vs. Jordus(w) Boardz game continuation

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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O X B . . X . O . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X . . X . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . O . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . O . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . . . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . , . . X X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . O . O . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
For background: Jordus and I started this game on Boardz - an iPhone application. I technically lost by time already, but in my defense, I don't think I received an update on the board for a few days.

Since I don't remember what i was thinking when I made my last few moves, it would be hard to comment at this point. But I may add some comments later.
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Re: Judicata(b) vs. Jordus(w) Boardz game continuation

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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O X X . . X . O . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | W X X X . . . X . . X . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . O . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . O . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . . . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . , . . X X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . O . O . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Judicata(b) vs. Jordus(w) Boardz game continuation

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So I understand that this is regular go, and that you will be playing the endgame "Malkovich style"?
judicata wrote:Since I don't remember what i was thinking when I made my last few moves, it would be hard to comment at this point. But I may add some comments later.
At least you could give us some general introduction of the game, background, commentary on the game so far, etc. What are your positional judgments at this point? What is your rationale behind the moves played on here so far?
My name is Gijs, from Utrecht, NL.

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The type of opening we started with in this game is a type I don't care for. I prefer to be aggressive, but as white I feel tentative to do so (or overly do so to compensate) and end up trying to play a style of game that isn't my forte.

When white took tengen in the first few opening moves instead of defending the corner, My thoughts were to disrupt the standard opening and give myself some confidence in my position by giving myself the influential lead.

From there my goal was to be agressively territorial based, though slightly influenced by greed... (I love to kill groups what can I say?), as you can see by my invasions and undercutting of black throughout the board. Will it be enough? I am not sure... but hopefully things go as planned...

As for what I am planning now...

you will have to wait and see... until I make my next move...

I'll start my commentary then.
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Re: Judicata(b) vs. Jordus(w) Boardz game continuation

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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O X X . . X . O . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . . X . . X . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . O . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . O . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . X . . . . B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . . . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . , . . X X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . O . O . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I wish I had more time to analyze the game today--I hope to do so soon. Also, I don't remember manyimpressions from this game, except that the very peaceful opening was paradoxically unnerving. It is interesting, because we started the game in April, when I was rated at 14kyu on KGS. I've gained about 4-5 stones since then, so I would've played the game differently today. In the opening, for example, I would either have gone with the high Chinese opening, or played the sanrensei instead of this. But I don't really know if the opening was unreasonable for either side through the first 10 moves.

I also think I would have approached around C6 instead of F4 at B35, but I'm not sure.

If I had more time to count, I would, but I think W is ahead with the a large area on the left side and some points in the lower right. Black has some potential in the middle right, but not a whole lot toward the center.

On this move, I thought about B16 to make sure I could live. But I don't think white can kill, though I could definitely be wrong. I almost played G18, but I decided something around M7 was worth more because there were more unsettled points. Again, could be wrong. I thought about playing on L or even K, because, as I played, white can surround some territory, but I think I might have some reducing moves on the other side from my F4 group.
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Re: Judicata(b) vs. Jordus(w) Boardz game continuation

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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O X X . . X . O . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . . X . . X . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . O . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . O . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . X . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . . . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . , . . X X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . O . O . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
While at first it looks like black is about to destroy my possible moyo, I welcome the move. I am playing my current move with two possible objectives in mind... Protect my moyo and lure black into a trap :) the trap where he sacrifices stones... i.e by trying to save the stone at g8 possibly.... we shall see....
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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | c . X . O X X . . X . O b O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . . X . . X . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . O . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . O . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . X . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . . . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . , . . X X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . O . O . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"a", "b", and "c" all seem to be quite big. The lower left black group looks like it's in a lot of danger as well?
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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O X X . . X . O . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . . X . . X . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . O . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . O . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . X . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . O B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . . . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . , . . X X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . O . O . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Sorry I've been slow. I have guests in town and I just had jury duty, which indirectly increased my workload.
I think I'm behind by at least 15 points, so I don't know if this is winnable. But if I don't secure nearly all of the territory on the right, there is zero chance (although there might be zero chance anyway). I'm going to have to think about where I can make something happen.
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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O X X . . X . O . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . . X . . X . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . O . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . O . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . X . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . W . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . , . . X X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . O . O . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I decided to take the safe route...
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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O X X . . X . O . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . . X . . X . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . O . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . O . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . X . . . 4 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . 2 1 3 . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . W . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . , . . X X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . O . O . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
or
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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O X X . . X . O . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . . X . . X . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . O . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . O . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 8 5 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . X . 6 2 1 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . 3 O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . 4 . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . W . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . , . . X X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . O . O . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O B . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O X X . . X . O . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . . X . . X . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . O . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . O . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . X . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . , . . X X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . O . O . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This looks like a big move to me, and I would've played it earlier except that there isn't much territory potential here to begin with.
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Re: Judicata(b) vs. Jordus(w) Boardz game continuation

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I have a goal here.... But I want to make sure i solidfy this group before trying it...

the goal is to play put some force onto blacks moyo in the h-k 15-16 area..... my goal is to complicate things....
I'm thinking...
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Re: Judicata(b) vs. Jordus(w) Boardz game continuation

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