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Offline kokomi
 Post subject: Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Post #141 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:53 pm 
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dfan wrote:
Chew Terr wrote:
"wow..did he just gave me sente? the game is over..."
"Did... he just... take gote? Man... I feel like I've already won."

This game is hilarious.

hilarious :lol:

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Offline Violence
 Post subject: Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Post #142 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:11 am 
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Sorry to keep everyone waiting.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . B . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think this is the only move.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 4 . 2 X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X 3 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black surely can't allow this.

At any rate, I feel that I'm ahead. victory is within reach, I just have to grab it.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Post #143 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:15 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Violence
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Post #144 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:21 am 
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Looks like he's just trying to mess with my head. I added a honte move that specifically stops all of his aji. It's no use trying to claw your way out.


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . B X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Post #145 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:36 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O W . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Violence
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Post #146 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:41 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move is too big not to play. I know there's a little aji inside, but I think I can handle it.
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Post #147 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:44 am 
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@Violence:
Have you counted recently? And, if so, who is ahead?

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Post #148 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:47 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . W X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
let's nullify his territory to zero.!!

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Offline Violence
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Post #149 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:51 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , B . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Oh, I'm sorry...

Did you think that was sente?

I expected this for a while now.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Post #150 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:58 am 
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DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . W . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Violence
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Post #151 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:07 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . B O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now the corner has a lot of aji.


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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 9 . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . 3 O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . 1 2 8 X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . 7 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Violence
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Post #152 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:48 pm 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
@Violence:
Have you counted recently? And, if so, who is ahead?

I've never been good at counting. It just feels nice right now, that's all.

Conservatively estimating, White has around 60 points right now, including komi, to me.

I think that getting more than 60 points feels like an easy task. I have about 10 points on the top, so that's 50 that I have to make with this moyo.

Why am I so optimistic?
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #153 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:35 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Violence
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Post #154 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:03 pm 
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My move will come tomorrow.

Yep, it's official. He's either on tilt, or lost his mind.

Whenever a player gets into this state, they are their own worst enemy. I don't even have to do anything except not fail miserably.
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Post #155 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:45 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . B O . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Only move? I think any other way would be considered too submissive. At least if not this, then at most a large tenuki move(possibly around the a area here?) would be the right "attitude". I'm not entirely sure what magicwand's move is supposed to be.. Is it a typo? Either way, no matter which way white responds here, it is clearly superior for black.

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Post #156 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:41 am 
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ketchup wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . B O . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Only move? I think any other way would be considered too submissive. At least if not this, then at most a large tenuki move(possibly around the a area here?) would be the right "attitude". I'm not entirely sure what magicwand's move is supposed to be.. Is it a typo? Either way, no matter which way white responds here, it is clearly superior for black.


Seems like the only move, though I suppose there's also this,

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . B . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that's jumping the shark a bit though, so I'd go with yours.

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Post #157 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:09 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . B O . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is the only move. He's already lost points doing this, I wonder what he's trying to do?
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Post #158 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:15 am 
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I'm very curious to see how Magicwand handles this situation. The move he played is clearly bad for him. Was he expecting this?

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 3 . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 O 1 . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If so, that would be extremely condescending on White's part - but this is the only good possibility that White could have expected out of his move.
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Post #159 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:33 am 
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Probably aims to live on the bottom somehow. If (6) must be answered at (7) then white would _almost_ starting to look alive. I don't see life happening though, but this must be approximately what white is planning.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X 7 X . O X 5 , O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . X . . . 6 8 . . 4 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O 2 . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #160 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:50 am 
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Kie wrote:
Probably aims to live on the bottom somehow. If (6) must be answered at (7) then white would _almost_ starting to look alive. I don't see life happening though, but this must be approximately what white is planning.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X 7 X . O X 5 , O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . X . . . 6 8 . . 4 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O 2 . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In the unlikely case that white actually lives on the bottom, black still gets a center, and white loses the corner and probably the side as well...

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